denlopvipernopes….no tomcats in bare metel finish……i take it as u are a modeller……might wanna check out http://www.modelingmadness.com
but as far as i know…no tomcats were even flown with bare-metal/silver finish…..
denlopviperYup, Pakistan now has AGM-154 JSOW capability. 🙂
Here is the article :
Pak Observer (03/01/06)
Corps Commanders Conference reviews internal, external security situation
President condemns blasphemous cartoons
Aroosa Alam
Rawalpindi—The senior commanders were told here Tuesday that Pakistan was now equipped with Beyond Visual Range standoff weapon system that can fight terrorists as well as insurgents in the country. The AGM 154 system has been provided by USA under its anti-terror package which includes many systems including BVR standoff weapon. Raytheon of USA has developed this system for the Air Force and the Navy. The AGM-154A (formerly Advanced Interdiction Weapon System) is intended to provide a low cost, highly lethal glide weapon with a standoff capability. JSOW family of kinematically efficient, air-to-surface glide weapons, in the 1,000-lb class, provides standoff capabilities from 15 nautical miles (low altitude launch) to 40 nautical miles (high altitude launch). The JSOW will be used against a variety of land and sea targets and will operate from ranges outside enemy point defences. The JSOW is a launch and leave weapon that employs a tightly coupled Global Positioning System (GPS)/Inertial Navigation System (INS), and is capable of day/night and adverse weather operations. The JSOW uses inertial and global positioning system for midcourse navigation and imaging infra-red and datalink for terminal homing.
Commanders were told that the milestone achievement will take care of Pakistan’s internal and external security concerns. This weapon system will also put at rest concerns expressed by some commanders lately over the breach of Pakistan’s sovereignty by Allied Forces with a particular reference to Bajour incident. Bajour killings had attracted severe criticism from people of Pakistan, political parties and even from within the armed forces. With the induction of new system Pakistan Army combating terrorism will be able to hit targets without coming into direct contact with well dug terrorists.
BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
they must have been talking about H2/H4……AGM-154A…if it was considered…i`d eb the fisrt to know….also..all deals related to PAF hav been on hold for almost 6 months now because the tanure of the current air chief ends on the 18th of this month….untill AM tanveer ( soon to b ACM) takes over…no deal with respect to PAF goes through….
after all…..its an airdroped weapon…the army has nothing to do with PAF procurment….and its presentation would hav been done by the current ACAS weapons who still has 6 months left on the seat…..back in oct 2003…director missiles of ht PAF did go for a teach evaluation of hte JSOW btu wasnt considered for procurment mainly cuz of the H2/H4
btw….how can you guyz even believe such bull****…exactly which jet in the PAF is qualified to carry a 2000 pound glide bomb?…..ony 2 jet in PAFz inventory carry 2k pounders…F-16s n Mirages……mirages onyl carry 2k pounder ont he centerline…thats it….
denlopviperyou guys think you knwo everything..
abt the RC flying media n army….look it up in th epkaistani newspapers Jang, Dawn n The News…
RD-93 has been pulled atleast as far as PAF is concerned…..russian n chinese signed an end-used-agreement on the RD-93s
abt the AIM-9L….existing US stocks…..9M is still in production
china initially never sponcered super-7…PAF bore all the costs…china came in only after the feasibility was done……oh and super-7 was initally to upgrade J-7s but mid-way during feasibility sutdy turned into a whole new fighter which u see flying today
with regards to MiGs n Su enterin PAF….PAF almost did get Archers and Atolls a couple of yrs back….missiles being bought by a 2nd country using **** funding and then ebing tranfered to PAF….the deal went sore wen the thing leaked from pakistans MoD….we did evaluations of the MiG-29 in the late 1980s n in the mid 1990s n then again in 2003…..if you guys know everything thne how did u miss this ?…evalutaion flights were done in Ukrain….
J-10 being chinaz top priority would make sense…after all…they were gettin a flying jet to begin with, equiped with isreali avionics…
btw..weapons intergration forhte JF would be done by AWC n PAC at AMF….but u guys already know that right…
denlopviperoh n abt the media n the pak army…..if they can claim a 2 channel RC plane ( you kno the ones which weigh 500 grms or so) carry missiles n struck an army outpost..and had RC flyin banned in islamanbad on this claim…..
ahh…..silence is bliss
denlopviperall i gotta say is dont believe everything u hear n read on the net bro…..super-7 started way bac in 1982….this project has had 3 different designation in PAF super-7, FC-1 n JF…..feasibility was done on half of PAF by grumman…look it up…..
denlopviperhey u see a beach 200 with PACTEC colors….tell the aircrew i said hi 😀
denlopviperlolzz @ insider….i aint settin out ot prove anything anyway…im a 21 yr old civilian pilot lookin for a job in the airlines industry and hoping my dad gets his 2nd star……thats it
we did a study wen we were commading 109AED……both NDC n AWC hav the capability to replicate 9L….only prolem is a few components in the guidence system which need to be imported and are on the prohibited list…
thing is….wen it comes to PAF, they are willing to pay millions for soemthign which has a tag MADE IN US/JAPAN/EUROPE/CHINA or watever…..but wen it comes to the local industries…everythign is jsut tooo expensive….you tell me…1 million USD and 1 million PK rupees…..whoz cheaper?…
abt china wanting or not wanting the JF……tell me…..PAF abandoned the program after it got the F-16s in 1984……y did china continue the project alone with grumman??….after 1984 PAF only joined back in 1992…….if china never wanted it, y would she waste billions on something she never wanted?….again pakistans ONLY technical contribution is the feasibility study which was done by grumman for PAF….the rest of the jet is chinese with russian help……china wanted PAF so send 100 officers n enlisted personnal ( 10 pilots, 90 engineers n technicians) to work on hte project in 1998…..do you wat PAF sent??…..7 pilots 1 engineer n 2 technicians…..the engineer being the junior most of the batch…meaning he was the pilots bitch and did absolutly NO WORK on the programing ..
call me watever you want….you dont even havta believe me…..i jsut come here to chk on a few topics….and some of the stuff i find makes me laugh…..n this one is going nowhere either…..you dont know the ops requirement…know dont know the type of binding PAF is under with respect to chinese equipment and supplies……you dont know alot….but this is wat this thread is about rite?…
but just know….9L/M/X are included in the package with the F-16s….AMRAAMs are also on cuz otherwise weapons/ops side of PAF is against inducting F-16s and more in favor of an alternate, likely to be a european or russian alternate, PAF evaluated MiG-29s and Su-27-30s…….
but anyway im out….hav a nice chat u all
denlopviperno links…thats what china asked for….
having your dad as at the top of the weapons chain helps you know alot…
according to the claims by china on the net….its a tested weapons…then how can a test fire cost 10million….give 10 million to NDC/AWC in pakistan and i bet they`ll give you a decent BVRM…..
thing is….china is paks best frnd…..it also chagres $$500 for a chip you get in the market for $$ 5.0….and since every contract is a binded contract so PAF cant reject the prices….
as for J-10 being a bargining chip with the US over teh F-16s….i dont think sooo….PAF command is too pro-US wen it comes ot jets….remember this project ( JF-17, FC-1, Super-7, the different designation of hte program) was initiated by the PAF in the early 1980z…F-16s came and killed the project in the PAF…….chances are if PAF gets something around 100 to 150 more F-16C/D black 50/52/60 with AMRAAMs…JF mite jsut go back to a fleet of 50 to 100 untill the mirages n F-7P/PG ( called MG) are phased out ( who btw still have atleast 10 to 15 yrs before theya re pulled from service, specially mirages II/V with ROSE I/II upgrades n F-7PGs)…
denlopviperwe talk abotu SD-10 all the time ere….china asked 10 million fer just ONE test launch…..as far as im concerned…its an untested weapon no matter wat the chinese say…..
btw here is a shocker :P……AGM-88 HARMs, AMRAAMs ( not sure weather they`ll C/D versions), the newer AIM-65 Mavricks are being considered in the F-16 package
denlopviperthe Pakistan Air Force (PAF) plans to qualify the JF-17 with all current PAF weapons. This increases the possibility that the FC-1/JF-17 will become the first Chinese aircraft to be integrated with US weapons.” (!!!)
not true….A-5, F-6, F-7P/PG are chinese jets which all carry US weapons…sidewinders, snake-eye series iron bombz, cluster bombz
denlopviperflying a planeis generally the same…no matter wat the type…its just getin used to it……sure everyoen can fly a plane….but not everyone can operate the avionics n weapon systems on the plane….you get a license ot fly planes at jsut 40 flight hrs…..the rest are on weapon systems……the pilot is trained to USE/CONTROLL the avionics weapons sysetms, flying the plane is like no problem anyone can do that
denlopviperPic 1 : J-10
Pic 2 : JF-17
both are JF-17s…..look at the canopy rim….same angle, same position……pilots postion…..almost the same……there isnt an ejection seat on the sim hence hes sittin a little lower than the real thing…
denlopviperdad visited the Irani AFs HQ last yrs…..more the half of their Tomcats are still flying…
as for the chinese….those guys are geniouses when it comes to reverse engineering things….has any one of you seen the prototypes that were flying in china in the late 1980z??…a flying replica of an F-14 without the avionics….we were in china on the K-8 project so also got to see some of the classified stuff theyw ere working on
fact is…for china….manpowere is no problem…for their industries gas n electrcity is free….its mroe of a forced labor thing there…..the way they rip of PAF and their other costumers….example being CATIC selling a microchip woth 5$ for 50$ a piece……money isnt exactly a worry for the chinese industries and they have good people working for them…..for them to replicate a blackhawk’s engine is actually not a probelm :S….if they can replicate a tomcat using drawings they can sure as hell replicate something the have
oh abt the JF-17….well russia didnt allow the sale of RD-93s to the PAF….so currently the pakistani JF-17 doesnt have an engine
denlopviper@ King Jester
what era of planes you built…..glad to see another modeller in the house 🙂
denlopviperweight-on-wheelz…..thats one reason….before everyflight….you check all the systems of the jet…..that includes nozzle deflection……
i`d say its the the flight controll computer…F-22 is a fly-by-wire jet…..that means every input from the stick and throttle goes into the computer…n then the computer decides how much of aleriron, leading edge/trailing edge flaps, nozzle position is required for wat the pilot is trying to do with reguards to what configuration the jet is in…
but yes the pilto does have manual override for the nozzles……he can manually PLAY with them if he wants to without moving the stick…
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