So again, lets try to stay on topic. A mid 1990s comparison between a 1989 vintage Warsaw Pact Mig-29 and the F-15/16 as it existed at the same time is a perfectly reasonable comparison. The pilot actually had some good things to say about the Mig-29, but as usual people around here are completely incapable of accepting any source that doesn’t tell them only exactly what they want to hear. :very_drunk:
I think the point is rather that comparing one, relatively basal variant is not representive about all MiG-29’s, even in contemporary time frame. Note that this is pretty much exactly what he says about F-15A!
There was no such model of a MiG-29, the Third World export version 9.12B only marginally differed from 9.12A for Warsaw Pact. Not only that, in mid-80s the economy of WP countries already started to crumble and many countries (India, Iraq) got their Fulcrums before any WP countries started to get their (very limited) deliveries.
I am aware of that, I was speaking on general terms.
In many cases, ‘export versions’ were actually used Soviet ones, refurbished and slightly modified for export. IIRC Yugoslavian MiG-29’s were examples of this.
That is factually inaccurate.
– lion share of Soviet Fulcrums were of the 9.13 version, 9.12s were quite rare and later almost exclusively destined for export
– the “couple of dozen” you’re talking about were further upgraded 9.13S assigned to Guards regiments which already got N019M with TWS mode. Externally hard to distinguish from a normal 9.13, though. Here is one, testing a load of R-77s.
Ok, the whole Fulcrum lineage is kinda confusing, and NATO designation is misleading since difference between Fulcrum-A and C is based purely on external appearence.
I got the impression that 9-12 type planes were majority in Soviet service as well, nearly all examples which visited West were 9-12’s. Strizhi also flew 9-12’s.
– I have never heard about 9.12S. I think you might be mistaken here..
– it was 9.13 which added Gardeniya jammer. 9.13S added N019M radar and R-77 capability (the missile later not adopted for Russian service)Few additions:
– the only foreign Fulcrums equipped with R-27T and R-27ER are Algerian ones. Of course, 9.13 aircraft passed on Soviet successor states like Ukraine or Uzbekistan, too have had this capability but these were originally Soviet birds.
– the same is valid regd. underwing wet pylons, these were exclusive for Soviets. Of course, today you can also find them on some Fulcrums which were bought from ex-Soviet stocks (Peru, last batch for Slovakia..) which adds to the confusion. German MiG-29Gs also had wet pylons rework made by EADS to fulfill their NATO aggressor role – they are now serving in Poland.
Aren’t Malaysian MiGs 9-12? They lack the ‘fatback’ but do have wet wing pylons.
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Was there really much difference between an East German MiG-29 and a Soviet air force example? To what extent were they downgraded?
USSR tended to have two export standards: those for Warsaw Pact (or other closely affiliated nations) and those to Third World. Models sold to Warsaw Pact generally were little different to Soviet service models: differences were usually things like no wiring for some weapons (esp. nuclear weapons) different/lacking IFF, maybe lacking some radar war reserve modes. Third World variants (the infamous “monkey models”) had further simplifications, sometimes they had wholly downgraded variants done just for this purpose with previous generation engines, radars and weapons (for example, MiG-23MS).
I believe production of 9-12 Fulcrums ended ca. 1990 and Soviet Air Force received only 9-13 series aircraft after that. Not that many 9-13’s were produced before the fall of the Soviet Union (couple of dozen?) and they weren’t exported before fall of the Soviet Union, although some were in post-Soviet era.
Ten were sold to Brazil, not sure if there were other foreign sales. Most converted to 5F or retired: AdA C’s are the oldest production run, most of the aircraft are running out of service life.
Lets not forget that MiG-29 development and deployment stalled in 1990. Had the USSR not collapsed, undoubtely Warsaw Pact would have got MiG-29S into widespread service (which already addressed many shortcomings of the Fulcrum-A) and upgraded earlier models to carry Alamo-C and later, R-77.
Obviously the guy couldn’t comment on newer variants as he never flew them and the interviewer didn’t even ask about them, so I’m not sure what’s the beef here.
As for this:
“It’s a good airplane, just not much of a fighter when compared to the West’s 4th-generation fighters.”
Well, he was basically comparing the ’80s MiG-29 to ’90s F-16. His main complaint about MiG-29 as a fighter seems to be short range of Alamo-A missile – hardly a shocking revelation! As he points out, most F-16’s lacked a BVR missile altogether until 1991.
It is obvious that he’s a big F-16 mark – as evidenced when he was assigned to F-15 unit and was disappointed (!). Nearly all pilots love their a/c (ditto for tankers and tanks, infantrymen with rifles) and always bring out points to portray them in positive light. However, I don’t think his comments about the MiG are particularly negative for a Western pilot, quite the contrary if anything. For example, some others complained about Fulcrum’s T/W ratio, because LW tended to fly them with engines derated to prolong service life. He, OTOH, says that MiG has plenty of power.
His comments about F-16 vs MiG-29 don’t really bring out anything new to discussion. More interesting are his assessments about F-5E and F-15A.
A great read indeed. A lot of info and hard facts to chew on. He wasn’t very impressed with the IRST on the MiG-29 – “next to useless” according to him.
This mirrors some comments from German pilots. It’s not a surprise, you have to remember that IRST on Fulcrum-A is basically 1970’s technology. Lots of Western fighters had them in the sixties but they were usually taken off in the ’70s when radars got better. Their range was simply too bad – not meaningfully better than Mk1 eyeball.
“The radar was actually pretty good and enabled fairly long-range contacts.”
Rather strange since most (all ?) other western pilots didn`t share this view regarding Fulcrums radar.
They praised, HMCS, maneuvrability, T/W ratio etc but NOT radar….
Most of his career seems to have been flying Western fighters with ’70s/early ’80s radar technology: F-15A, F-5E, early series F-16C. Compared to those, MiG’s radar probably isn’t that bad, performance-wise. His remarks about APG-63 are very interesting.
Leader is the project name for the new destroyer. Will be laid down sometime this decade. There is a lack of clarity if the ship will be destroyer, or small cruiser sized (and potentially nuclear powered). Supposedly they are leaning towards the larger design.
22350/22350M in any case will be a more than adequate replacement for 1155s and 956s.
In the sense that they provide similar capabilities in a hull of half the size. However, for endurance, seakeeping and sensor capability, there is no substitute for larger ship. Only question is how many they perceive to need.
Also, the new ship will almost certainly have 2 helicopters, like Udaloys have. They also will need flag facilities as eventually they’ll need to replace Slavas too.
Nuclear propulsion seems unnecessary expense for a ship of this size. OTOH maybe they’ll think about growth potential, possible future power needs for new sensors and directed energy weapons.
Maybe they’ll build both conventional and nuclear powered versions, a’la Leahy/Bainbridge.
Just a different set of ships with some add on’s
4 Absalon class multi-role Frigates $900 million
You can’t get 4 Absalons for that price – two, at most.
The current state of the Navy is this:
3 x Type 21 Frigates purchased in in 1993 from UK
Scrap two, leave one as (possibly immobile) training vessel.
4 x Peacock-class corvette built for Minitaya in 1982
2 x Castle Class Patrol vessels bought from UK in 1995
Scrap.
12 x Hawk T1
24 x F/A 18 were sold to Minitaya as part of the Air Base short term lease in 1990 from the US
How old are these? Hawk T1 (I assume in this context Hawk 50) hasn’t been produced for like 30 years, so they’re goners. If the Hornets are A/B, they’re going to need replacement soon-ish. C/D would be good to go for another 15 years.
4 x P-3 Orions arrived in 1998
3 x C-130 transports
1 x 737 Leased from national carrier as troop transport to help with recent deployment to Timor.
1 x 737 Presidential jet
8 x Puma Helicopters
No word on hours, but other than they seem good to go for bit longer.
With that kind of budget limits, and Minitaya being an island nation with broad economic interests, high-end warships seem out of the question, so do submarines. So I am concentrating on power projection and maintaining the number of hulls:
-1* Absalon type command ship á 500 million USD. 1*127mm, 1* Mk41 (8 cells) for ESSM, SMART-L air defence radar.
-2* Gepard 3 -series corvettes á 250 million. Similar to Vietnamese units, maybe sans Palma. SIGMA 9000 -variant is possibility too, but may be too expensive.
-2* Large OPV á 100 million. 3000 tons, 20 knots.
-4* Small OPV á 50 million. 500 tons.
-1* Antarctic research ship/icebreaker. $50 to 100 million. Can do double shift as a supply ship.
I’d like to include some mine countermeasures vessel, but can’t fit it to budget. Oh well. Maybe some of the OPV’s could have MCM modules. Some landing craft would be needed too but can’t bother getting into details.
For air force, I’m working under assumption that Hornets need replacement too:
-16* FA-50
-16* T-50: lets say these cost $1 billion all in all. They’ll replace both Hawks and Hornets. First-line fighters are too expensive to fit to this budget.
-3* EriEye AEW&C aircraft (maybe Embraers). $300 million.
-UAV’s and upgrades/service life extensions for existing assets: $200 million.
Like everything, service life also ‘depends’. Taiwan has lots of problems with its Mirage 2000 fleet, particularly engines are apparently wearing out lot quicker than they should. And as I said, F-18 which is supposed to be real durable airframe, won’t make anywhere close to 6000 hours in Finnish service. Different air forces fly different profiles, different environmental concerns (flying a lot over a sea is no good for the engines etc).
The Mirage-2000 would in total exceed the 6000 hours original service life with additional few thousand hours, but there is no source for how much additional service life is going to be obtained. FYI, HAL had reported that the Mirage airframe was exceptionally robust, with overhauls revealing no fatigue issues with the airframe at all, unlike in the case of the Jaguar where every 1 out of 5 Jaguars overhauled had some fatigue cracks reported.
Hmmm. Didn’t Taiwan complain that Mirage 2000 was running low on airframe hours quicker than expected?
Somewhat surprisingly, FAF has recently reported that without refurbishment Hornet airframe will struggle to make it to 4500-5000 hours in Finnish service.
To get this thread back on track – I think Switzerland should have gone for Mirage 2000C-RDI instead of F/A-18Cs. While being a great striker, I somehow can’t see how the Hornet fits into an almost pure A-A role. Same with Finland – I think they could have purchased the AJ37/JA37 Viggen (although I am aware of the US industrial offsets which lead to cellphone business rise of NOKIA).
Mirage was too expensive, it costed more than F-18 without offering any performance advantage, contrary if anything. Finland was never interested in Viggen, it was way too expensive for what it offered.
F-18 won the evaluations in both Switzerland and Finland purely on air-to-air merit.
Given the expense and scope of the work required for 1144’s modernization, surely there is no point upgrade more than 2 of the vessels. Lazarev’s new paintjob simply keeps the hull from rusting until the ship can be properly dealt with.
Although, is there any info which ones are in best shape? ISTR some rumours that Lazarev was actually in better condition than Nakhimov, but I might misremember that. There were calls to restore Kirov due to its historic signifance and status but I doubt that is justifiable by any sensible means.
Is this official or some fanmade project? 240 UKSK silos, holy crap. But just A-190 for main gun?