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  • in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1126931
    mjr
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    true, and things are a little slow in the current climate, but the prices being asked are the going rate, whether peple bite or not.A really nice example would im sure go for silly money, bun fight syndrome, just as the harriers and jags from everet have, 919 frankly is a not a nice example that will cause a stir, but im sure they will get near the asking price eventually.

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1126951
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    if anyonme thinks they can get a reasonable tatty lightning airframe for less than a 5 figure sum, they are sadly missguided. the asking price was good. A complete cockpit in good nick fetches at least 5.5K upwards, and entire fuselage with wings and fin cut off, at least 10k, an unmolested fuselage in fairly good nick, not cut, 20k plus, a good one unchoped 25k+, and as for a ground runner, scoff you might, but 40k+ is the order of the day. An yes, before everyone starts off about buying a flying JP for 15k or Hunter for 30oddK. Lightnings are Lightnings, and not easy to come by in good order… thats the premium I’m afraid, becuse a decent one is rare as rocking horse stuff. You won’t see much change out of 8-9k for that hulk next to the A1, even though its way over scrap price. Scrap price just doesnt come into it any more. just have a look at what the last shell of a Harrier sold for, complete externally only, it went for well into 5 figures….the days of 5k good complete air frames are long gone.

    in reply to: Lightning Twilight Rolling Thunder Run Nov 28th #1127789
    mjr
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    spot on john. Static with no1 at max mill, engaging no2 at the same time would only damage it, cook the engine. fast taxying or flying is a different matter

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1127795
    mjr
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    fuselage is history, really not worth the bother restoration wise, there are just far too many holes in it. As for the cockpit, f2a at boscombe was far worse than this one, it was absolutely riddled with shell holes, something like 2000 holes if I remember rightly?. well every one was filled, patched etc. the whole thing painted, with minimal expendature. it got a second hand canopy , new side glasses, intake blank, and the cokpit is still being worked on, new panels made up etc etc. We prsonally made up the nose gear doors on the original frames, using scrap aly. The whole thing doesn’t look half bad at all. I rekon this old bird’s pit is plenty saveable…

    http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/survivor.php?id=560

    check it out. as I say this thing looked like a collander, with almost every panel missing too..

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128697
    mjr
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    hmm odd. i can only summise that the atgb was low houred and worth recovering, since they were a 250 grand piece of kit at the time. that would suggest that the rheat pipes were time expired or close to 600hrs already, as were the inter pipes, hence left behind.just a guess

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128729
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    great pics scotty, thanks for posting them. The reheat pipes would be worth recovering, they can sit outside forever, the worst that happens to them is the screw jacks, and ring gears seize up, plus the ancilliay fuel/air stuff would surface corrode or seize up. I c someone has already had no1 reheat pipe shroud away, which is no coincidence, since no2 shroud cant be removed with the pipe in situ. The more I c, the more I am conviced many of the parts frokm this thing are fitted to various lightnings at museums. one or two petals have been prized out on n2 burner, but from what i can see there, the whole nozzle assembly is fine, all be it seized up. Im still amazed at some of the stuff that has actually been “removed”. the nose ballast panels and nose leg pivot access panels for instance, are an absolute ******* to remove even on serviceable Lightnings, someone must have visited with a generator, good tools and the special torq bits to remove them. They knew exactly what they were doing. The spine is another example, the piano hindge has been properly removed from the compartment cover to remove it. really interesting stuff. i would love to see some more close ups. someone has had a go at removing the s/b leading edge too, check out the screws sticking out. culprit ran out of time? or patience?

    does anyone else find the holes everywhere slightly odd ?? some of them are high up on the tail, too uniform and too high for mindless thugs to have bothered with. you would need a pick axe or heavy 8 pounder sledge to go through like that. It’s almost as if the owners did it themselves, so as to stop the receivers putting any value on it, when a1 sales went into liquidation??? makes me wonder if a lot of it was actually taken off by them and flogged??

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128815
    mjr
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    Sounds to me though like the burner pipes would be worthwhile recovering.?

    yup, me too

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128842
    mjr
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    suspect the council would sub out the job to cut it up and crush it where it stands. councils cant organise a p**ss up in a brewery as it is, let alone remember to save anything from it.

    As we saw with the blackpool vulcan, I rekon they would have the hulk reduced to small pieces within 2 hours. Unless you wafted big bucks in front of the bucket driver on the day, I doubt you would get anything out in one piece.

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128943
    mjr
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    wl747, that may just be the outer heat shields, the pipes themselves could be ok. The reheat pipes have a lot of items worth recovering. The screw jacks and pinion gears are impossible to get, unless you have scrap pipes lying around.
    Peter, this has been tried several times. Until the council condemn the site and want rid of the hulk, theres little chance, dozens of approaches have been made, the owner is about as friendly as a tick.

    lifting it would be interesting, even with the weight of the wings, fin, cockpit and stabs gone, I suspect the fuse would fold up from the weight of the engines. There are so many panels missing and holes everywhere, the integrity has probably gone..

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128953
    mjr
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    I dont see why not. personally I would cut the wings off, elevators off, cockpit off, fin off, and put the fuse on its side on a low loader

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1128977
    mjr
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    its not so much the cost of buying her peter, its the time required to get all the bits unfortunately. to be honest the only way you are going to get at the jet pipes and reheat pipes, is to chew up the airframe around them, and its highly unlikley a jcb driver would have the patience to be that gentle or painstaking. The cockpit is not so much of an issue, it could be failry easily cut off.

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1129116
    mjr
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    not a great deal, its dirty mixed aluminium, which means the processing costs drive the value down to almost nothing. We scrapped a set of F53 wings after they had been utterly gutted, and they valued at approx £100 a ton if I remember rightly. I wouldnt mind betting the scrappy had wished hed never taken them too, once he realised how much steel and clad was on/in them.

    in reply to: A1 Lightning – Balderton #1129125
    mjr
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    there is some interesting damage on it I must say. no doubt in my mind that some of the parts that have been removed, were removed for other lightnings in preservation. wiring duct covers for instance, look as if they were removed carefully. What possible reason would you have for those?, other than to fit them to another airframe. Canopy removal, a good 45 minute job at least on an old rust bucket like that. some odd repair patches too, like the two holes one each wing on the roundel, obviously something recovered when it was retired?

    other weird stuff, like skin punctured open, then torn back as if to get to specific components behind.

    those two reheat pipes are gold!! the shrouds may be damaged, but the rest of the pipes are probably undamaged and hugely useful for refurbishing other pipes. Jet pipes would also be useful. The leading edge panels look to be unmolested too, plus all the ancillary pipework under no2 hatch, and the bottom of no1 engine, neither easy to locate as spares. The starters would most probably yield useful internal spares too. Control rods. all the solanoids on the engines and pipes. rare as rocking horse stuff, and easily refurbished.

    There are lots of goodies still in that old thing as far as I can see, its a shame they will all end up in the scrap yard..

    in reply to: EE Lightning Crash In Overberg SA, 14/11/09 #1134352
    mjr
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    guys, just to be clear I didn’t have an issue with the speculation or pictures perse, it was purely the TIMING that’s all. I just think it is respectful to not post such pictures or speculate for 3-4 days after the event that’s all. Im not saying that people shouldn’t form opinions or discuss techincally what might of happened at some point here, I just thaught it was very bad taste to be doing so 48hrs after the event, when the whole thing was still so raw.

    in reply to: EE Lightning Crash In Overberg SA, 14/11/09 #1135356
    mjr
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    yes, a question of timing. What people take exception to, quite rightly, is pictures were being posted of the impact, within hours of the event, whilst recovery personel where still on scene, which is utterly disrespectful and tasteless.

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