From the pictures it looked like Please dont speculate; see below post.
respect for that call Bruce. Matt you were on the ball there though, The control loss can now thankfully be explained.
Guys, Can we leave any speculation out of this especially finger pointing at this time!
A terrible tragedy has seen us lose not only a machine(ZU-BEX) but a gentleman in every sense of the word. Honestly my heart goes out to all those who at Thunder City at this time. Please keep them in mind when you post ok? You never know who may be watching the forum….
Peter, Moderator.
Thank you peter. and I don’t think we need to see pictures of the moment of impact either!! have some D**ed respect people!!!!!
craig was unlucky with his circumstances. he suffered more injuries because 1)he used the seat pan pull,which results in a poorer posture, and increases the chances of back injury 2) it was a bang seat, rather than a rocket seat, rocket seats are gentler 3) his wrist hit the cockpit sill on the way out 4) the pan separation malfunctioned, significantly increasing his velocity on the way down from 2000ft. The seat only seperated at 300 ft via him activating the qrf handle manually, so he was dropping far faster than normal, and hit terra firma much harder. this happened because he tensioned his lap straps too far, effectively locking out the seat pan. Compounded on top of that, he thaught he was landing in deep water, when in fact he landed in 8 inches of water, smashing his already badly injured back further. the other thing to remember is aircraft type and relative space. the single seat hunter is very narrow cockpit wise, so the chance of injury on the way out is hightened too.
crickey! hes lucky to be alive. the u/s ones we have are operating at 1 crack every 4-5 seconds. the types we have the issues with are fitted to Lightning and HunterT7, all tritium types unfortunately. I’ll get some part numbers and pictures.
Hi chris, thanks for the info. I guess you have been lucky with the earlier types, and the spark gaps on the later boxes are more conventional then. The early boxes have a tritium gas filled envelope to regulate the spark. unfortunately they have a half life of 12 years, so even new old stock boxes ,sometimes don’t spark properly, or the gas has escaped. No one sells them, and asking around for tritium caps, raises a few eyebrows:rolleyes: i suppose the answer is to find the later type of box.
ok m8, when our radio man is back from us in a week or so, will get him to dig out what he has for you. is it just pin out letters on the arc52 and ic’s you want, or the pin to pin schematics?
stores, yea, they are like hens teeth. wiring diagrams, well yea we have them. trouble is the topic 3’s (manuals) don’t contain much, so what we have are the huge a1? sheets, about 20 of them, blueprints, just for the radio installation alone. We dont have any way of scanning them though?, you would need a huge scanner.
looking forward to seeing it run fella.
We now have a probable gearbox problem on 587. started to get a rumble on wind down from the gearbox, looks like maybe a knackered LSD assembly?, gbox strip on our hands:(.
haven’t got any wing fold main LP fuel pipe gallery walking joint seals have you?
ps. we ran into the cracker box probs. assides the usual trembler issues, how are you getting over worn out spark envelopes? we have loads of boxes that are effectively u/s because the tritium envelopes are past it, they run, but spark frequency is poor..
matt, both types are not much cop really. the later solid state is less trouble some, but neither provide sufficient gain really. do yourself a favour,modify the the solid state amp to provide 50% more gain, it will save you having to hunt through the IC system every couple of years to eliminate noise. with the extra gain, you can just turn up the vol and ignore the interference. All the relays sit on JB154 box, which is buried behind the arc 52 gear on the inside wall, cockpit bulkhead. to get at it you have to strip half of the avionics out, and pull the observers seat too. sod doing that every couple of years, when you get missbehaving relays and Tbs!!
XR724 flew on the civil register:diablo:
Hi, XS422 will remain in her boscombe experimental colours.
lol, yup, but not from Stennis it ain’t. Stennis is in Waveland, way to the South West, which is as far south in Mississippi as you can go. Hancock County, almost into South west Texas boyy:D
indeed, Nasa/Stennis airport in fact, not that Katrina didn’t try her best to relocate 422 further North to Alabama!:p
That option has been looked at, but the terms are never very agreeable for test bed work, especially when it comes to control of the airframe. apart from that, first you have to have an actual flying airframe before you can go cap in hand to NTPS and the like.
hmmmm, not sure who you spoke to on the stand, but as one of the spanner wielders on 422, I can tell you 6-8 months to first flight is off of the mark. Even with a big cash injection, you are talking 2 years. 12 months could see static engine runs yes, but not flight. There is still plenty to do!
very nice Peter, top job:D
Alu prep or metal prep is completely different, they are simply surface cleaning/prep products using phosphoric acid, after which a normal etch primer should be put on. The clear etch is actually and etch primer, acid chromate I think. You can tell where you have sprayed it, because it turns the metal a uniform dull finish. granted its not the easiest stuff to use, when you can’t see so well where you are applying it. I would suspect that it’s usually applied with an electrostatic spraying kit to make sure it’s covered.
Dow thwmselves still do it. you want Mil-M-3171 Type I and III. The proper way to treat it first before Dow#7 dichromating, is with Celeneous Acid, but at approx £50 per 150grams at last check, phosphoric acid solution is just fine! Dow #7 is expensive and I dont believe much more effective that a good allochrome or Alodine treatment. we etch ours by submerging the parts in Allodine, until they have turned gold. Then a good few coats of non etc primer, followed by several top coats, then laquer. no corrosion has returned yet.
If you want to know about magnesium treatments, Dow themselves do a very good book. “Operations in Magnesium Finishing”, 1990 The Dow Company
Hi finchyboy. Not much good news I’m afraid. she has had to take a back seat for a while, so that the core team could service the other jets. We are steadily progressing some wiring on her, but she will not see a full crew or major work now until September. We will not see engine installs on her until early 2010 now, since the dreaded hot section fuel weep in no1 bay has returned, all be it much improved. Despite our best efforts, a further boroscope inspection has revealed a shimming broblem in the rear wing structure, which will necessitate us dissmantling the aft wing structure completely. This is quite a big job, which will take us about 7 days of work. We will be carrying out the job in September. once done, barring any further curve balls, we hope she will be ready for the first engine in Feb or March next year.