Scott, c
will you be at Brunty on 5th sept, I have an electrical AP for you from a while back, but just need the right opportunity to give to you. How goes the re-build?
MJR
Scott c,
yep 11th July bash was rather good! just a shame that a nameless official DA for the lightning didn’t make much effort.
MJR
You would not believe the problems which arise from live public displays of vintage aircraft, the public liability on its own opens a major can of worms, and is generally prohibitive, ” familly and friends” gatherings are a different matter. If it was a easy as LPG make it look everyone would be doing it. We used to, for over 10 years in fact, until public liabilty insurance became impossible aftersept 11th.
MJR
”and shame on a well known and infinately better funded organisation, whom should have arranged an official celebration event for this ground braking machine.”
I don’t mean LPG or any other private lightning groups, in case anyone was wondering
MJR
Both were scrapped in late June, seriously scrapped! we at GAM were able to see the whole saga across the fence, The Comet was completely destroyed in about 8 hours,despite our willingness to take the noses from both aircraft. It seems that BAA didnt want any complications,took the bull by the horns, and crushed them both over 2 days. The scrap merchants were not local, and very little was saved. As far as parts go for the Nimrod restoration, there wasnt much worth taking off of G-MB before it was scrapped, let alone after. I will dig out some pictures of the final hours!
MJR
Hatton,
I agree completely. The CAA, BAe and Marshalls wouldn’t go anywhere near this unless they had complete faith in feasability of the project and its chances of producing a flying aircraft operated to the utmost standards of safety.
I admit, I have been sceptical it could be done, but as it now seems so close I am right behind everyone involved.
Kev – no need to withdraw.
All of the concerns in the thread have no doubt been well covered by the powers that be, before a decision was made to allow the project this far. As quite rightly pointed out above, Marshalls, Bae, CAA, would not co-operate with this project, if they were not 150% confident of impeccable standards, and stringent/ restrictive permit limitations, . 558 will be under incredible constant scrutiny by CAA/Marshalls. The risk managed, remains, whether a type is operated privately or by the MOD, The nature of the beast!
airshows need Vulcan, I think the risk is worth it, though the displays will undoubtedly be subdued in comparison to before. Most of the land based uk airshow displays (in my opinion) are dull now, and worsening, in no small part because of the increasing restrictions imposed on envelopes, dwindling U.S/ Russian presence,and shrinking U.K Millitary turn out. We need fresh input. Maybe the risk is acceptable in order to move on and open new doors?
MJR
Surely though in the case of the Shack, the CAA’s objection is to do with BAe design authority, and pressumably their concern over the spar fatique life, so throwing shed loads (HLF millions) at BAe for them to do a PA474 style re-spar would surely satisfy the CAA….
I totally agree, even Bae have a price! business is business.
mjr
andrewman,
I think my reply may have been a tad misleading.
It wasnt my intention to suggest that HLF dosh was the sole persuasive tool in gaining CAA approval. However, this situation has never arisen before, the HLf funding can only have indirectly strenghtened the CAA decision, because proper DA backing/infrastructure and logistics from Marshalls are secured.
Without huge dosh, there would be no Marshall backing, we are talking a cummulative budget of approx 5Million!! and probably much more in realistic terms!…..a lot of business. I doubt many past projects concerning one airframe have had that kind of budget to approach any DA??. The CAA’a policies are well known and publicised with regards to millitary types and backing, just take the infamous reaction to Thunder City lightnings and DA backing as an example, and yet, If you had such backing, funds, training resources, pilots etc (example: BAe operating 3 private lightnings in the early nineties), the CAA wouldn’t blink.
The DA’s aren’t interested in romantic notions etc etc, they are interested in business. Money. get the DA onboard and the CAA are far more positive. The CAA will no doubt be watching VTS closely, but if this partnership works out well, it can only have a positive outcome for CAA thinking in future.
mjr
As has already been mentioned in this thread, the fact that LHF have agreed on condition to stump up 50% funds for a platform to be returned to flight status, is a milestone, and a fortunate reversal in policy.
However, whatever speculation/critisism is levelled at VTS, the whole enthusiast community should be backing this project 100%, since whatever the outcome of this project, it is sure to colour the thinking of future decisions by LHF and DA’s for similar applications.Suffice to say, it would seem logical that, if VTS is a roaring success (excuse pun!), especially from LHF point of view, it may go a long way to softening attitudes and policies with regards to Flying preservations, especially with the DA’s and maybe CAA, who knows? if it works out for a Vulcan, it could work for a shack or a Bucc.
shame, judjing by the fact that it looks complete,I bet it was in nice condition when it arrived, its particularly tragic when oraganisations (big and small) get a nice example and it then rots beyond redemption.
mjr
considering 391 obviously gets little attention, it doesnt look like its too late, though I havent seen it close up! Is it a total basket case?
MJR
if this is true then it’s political correctness gone crazy. If we are going to be that ridiculous, we had better remove all the russian markings from russian aircraft displayed in the UK, all the saudi markings from f53 lightnings in the uk,all swiss markings etc etc.
MJR
…….And hence the struggle for UK aviation heritage, with circulation of such un-enlightened statements.