good point Woka, I over looked the canopy restrictor ring. Indeed a second yank of the handle would have been needed.
Ive not had a chance to read it fully and in depth however consider this
descion made to eject
pull bottom handle – Seat fails to fire
Pull Handle again – Seat fails to fire
try Top handle – Seat Fails to fire
canopy still attached – Seat wont fire – First action pull emergency jettison located between seats painted black and yellow
If no Joy open canopy with normal handle
Canopy leaves aircraft – seat fires
That’s what should have happened but ( I stand to be corrected)
THe accident report doesn’t highlight this VERY important procedure
True, but think about it from inside the cockpit.
It does mention it. It mentions it would have been impossible for pilot to open the canopy manually.
What it doesn’t do is go into detail as to why.
Well
1) No services pressure left for the canopy, more than likely why port gear also failed to extend just before hand.
2) Canopy was partially open, with s/b lock dissengaged and s/b canopy sill ejected into the airflow,
(confirmed by the level of wind noise in the ATC transmission) while port side was still firmly locked in place.
With the canopy twisted like that, and low pressure applying upward tension to the port lock hook (transmitted down the lever rods to the handle too), there’s no way he would have had the grunt to pull up the canopy locking handle, it would have been jammed solid!
3) He ran out of time to even try. see the tramsmission time line, there was no time between his “egress failure” transmission and the impact, to try anything meaningful.
What it does unfortunately highlight is, if Dave Stock had followed SOP and immediately climbed to at least 5-10k upon the double HYD warning, he might have had more time to try and get the canopy off. He had a few minutes after the AWP warnings before controls stiffening and a further few minutes before losing the controls completely. I can certainly understand his desire to try and save the aiframe though, given the fact that he probably had no idea that he had an advanced reheat fire when the warnings came up. I suspect even with 3-4 minutes at altitude, once he pulled the bang handle and the egress worked one side only, his fate was sealed, since the canopy would have been jammed. No amount of human grunt on a twisted canopy would have released that port hook IMO.
He may have had a slim chance, where he’d had time and altitude to pull the canopy jack release handle, which releases the hinge pins and jack end fittings.
The low pressure may have then lifted the aft end of the canopy up enough to rip it off of the forward lock spigot. Chances are he wouldn’t have cleared the canopy when the seat then went off though.
Unfortunately no wreckage of the handles, torque tube, release handle, hindges etc were left, it was all destroyed, so we will never know what he tried.
Its all easy in hindsight, but Im sure Dave stock had no idea why the canopy hadnt come off or how to fix it in such a short space of time
Long and short is that 451 should have been grounded the night before. No experienced Lightning crew in their right mind would have sent it off flying the following morning after the techincal issues it had that evening. Even a fast taxier would have been kiboshed after that.
Well said Peter. Just to add to the comment above about “pi55ing off” councilors over the years. As Peter Mills has correctly pointed out. This land was NOT Green belt when it was purchased in 1989, specifically to house a museum collection. You don’t need planning permission to park an airframe in your back yard when it is not Green Belt land. It was re classified as Green Belt some time later, and incredibly, back dated!! An illegal act by today’s rules. The council therefore created this situation in the first place, by unfairly shifting goal posts.
Those same councilors that we have been “pi55ing off” over the years have 1) Got us to jump through hoops over the last 20 years, which we have fully complied with 2) Allowed us to exist and open to the public as a museum for the past 15 years 3) Approached and invited GAM to submit a new application 18 months ago ,due to “favorable conditions” 4)Specified in black and white that “the aircraft are significant and important”
And all the while have maintained an enforcement notice against us for the last 20 years.. So as you can see, we feel this is duplicitous. We are simply fighting for what is right.
thinking about it,to be fair, the same muppet was probably under instruction from MOD to chop all of them looms before disposal after crates were removed. The MOD went through a period after gulf1 of punching fuel tanks and chopping looms off to make sure they were static only. im guessing this is what happened here. Wing fold wiring wise, most of them got chopped for transport.
crikey what a mess, what happened to it!!?? 🙁
Selenious acid. Official chemical for mag alloy corrosion…..I doubt you will get hold of any though, as its fatal if injested.
yea, already got the top bits, just need the winches and tubes 🙂
poor ol DT.. Are the jag ones etc exactly the same as the ones in the photo, ie the Didsbury winches?
Hi matt, thanks, I will give Dave a ring, although Im after purchasing 4 really, rather than borrowing. I hear DT had a little misshap this weekend with a chock:rolleyes:
If anyone knows of any of these winches shout up 🙂
john,pm’d u
You can split the comp shell off, but you will need the stator retaining tools in order to get the shgell back together, otherwise you will not line the stators back up in the compressor case. Dont split it uinless you have that tool!
Before you take any tools, sand paper or any other abrassive material to it, what mark of Avon is it? is it a 200 or 300 series?
All very familliar Rich. We had to remove all of our relief valves and header tanks for de scaling. We have had problems with 982’s rads for the last 15 years. We have improved all but no4, a lot though. No 4 vents after about 15 minutes of running. Same problem, crystalised Glycol. You can remove it, through a good flush with a hose and some standard de-scaling potion. We managed to recover 2 of the big rads completely. IIRC using this method, and a fire hose @ 2-3psi. The risk however is that when you do start loosening the crystals, you pin hole the rads, where corrosion has festered with the crystaline areas. It hapened on a couple of ours. If you have plenty of spares, why not flush a a few sets and make up a fairly good set? then, as has been suggested go to All year anti freeze. We have been running anti freeze for a long tme with no ill effects.
Have you thought about flushing a scrap rad, and collecting the crystals? You can test in various descalers and potions, with some radiatior core from a scrap rad.
Great news Peter congratulations! Any chance of a video of this??
Either being behind the controls or crewing, we never get the chance to take video of airframe runs unfortunately. We will endavour to make a point of doing appointing a camera man in future. This video not so long (6 months?) back and is much the same, but on the s/b engine, although the port engine was tested at various power settings last week.
Great news Peter congratulations! Any chance of a video of this??
Either being behind the controls or crewing, we never get the chance to take video of airframe runs unfortunately. We will endavour to make a point of doing appointing a camera man in future. This video not so long (6 months?) back and is much the same, but on the s/b engine, although the port engine was tested at various power settings last week.
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