The English took the lands of the native Americans. What do you say about that?

tis bad i say, but at least in America they teach about it to their children its bad. just like how the UK teaches about British imperialism to young lads.

Exactly…If its induction and operational use does anything, its to insight Israel to actually take it out..To make it a point if for nothing else 😉

not only will Israel take it out, it will be flown by a Russian-Israeli pilot.

USAF estimates F-35 will cost $32,000 per hour to operate

isn’t the F-16 around 2-4000 USD?

One could seriously argue against canada’s need for a 5th gen fighter, When a Bunch of Advanced GH Varients (Customized) Supported by Long range F-15SE or Su-35 type fighters with awesome range is all that it takes…I agree here, The Need for the F-35 is very questionable…

Actually one could argue that if i wanted to bomb Iran the current fleet is more then sufficient…Use the B-2’s for deep strike, and the F-22’s to take care of the Air defence systems…The fighter fleet can be taken care of with the existing F-15C’s and F-16’s…The F-35 is for the future, where the level of IADS and their proliferation warrants a much greater VLO fleet to accomplish the A2G objectives….

but what about them countries that don’t have an F-22 or B-2.. like UK. if they wanted to do some bombing, the F-35 is the only viable choice aside from stand off approaches.

Since my “nation” was founded many generations ago and apparently like many others on here doesn’t get priority when it comes to next generation aircraft even ahead of the manufacturing nations own armed forces:

Air Defense:

24 – MiG-21bis Fishbed (ordered from Mikoyan in eighties)
12 – MiG-29A Fulcrum fighters (Ex-Russian/Soviet)
6 – Tornado F3 (donated by RAF as good will gesture after our Special Forces rescued 16 hostages held by our western neighbours terrorist arm)
10 – Rafale C – Awaiting delivery but will replace the above

Close Support/Interdiction:

6 – Su-24MK Fencers (Ordered fresh from Sukhoi)
8 – Il-28 Beagles (Oldest aircraft in service, in reserve)
16 – F-5E Tiger II (US donation from the eighties)

Recce/AWACS/EW:

3 – IL-28 Beagles (used for photo recon)
1 – E-2C Hawkeye (ex-US Navy)

Fixed Wing Transport:

6 x C-130H Hercules also fitted with improvised bomb racks
3 – Islander Defenders fitted with improvised bomb racks

Rotary Wing:

12 – Mi-24 Hind-D for Attack
8 – Mi-17 Hip for Assault

Training:

24 – Yak-52 for Basic also Light Attack
6 – L-39ZE Albatross for advanced jet and light attack currently being replaced by our own indigneous design the single engine AJT-15 Bull
12 – Mi-8 Hip – Rotary training and assault

mr pepper, if you may, I am curious to what your nation is so I may examine its air force.

last one too many people complain about limit and too many people choose wrong airplane so I will fix it.

you can use any airplane you want from any country
u budget is same like denmark, i think it is 7,083,000,000 a year

u have 2 problems!
1. your neighbor in east claim your islands! your neighbor weak and sucks but is supported by a strong country. you need ability to defend islands and intercept fighters and shoot ships. they use old f15
2. your neighbor in west is not stable and has some problem with muslim terrorist

scenario sounds suspicious.. island issue eh.

if budget is like denmark. I might as well use denmark’s structure. with some changes

48 Pak-Fa (because I’d want F-22s but I think Pak-fa will have anti shipping abilities added which the F-22 doesnt have, and I dont trust the F-35s ability to beat F-15s)
4 Kawasaki C-2 for Tactical Transport
3 Mitsubishi MRJ for VIP Transport
10 Kawasaki P-1 for ASW and ELINT
5 Shin Meiwa PS2 for SAR
27 Kawasaki T-4 for advance trainer
12 PZL Orlik for basic training
14 Merlins for SAR and Tactical Transport
15 PZL W-3 Sokol for utility
2 E767

that should be good for a Danish size military to monitor islands.
As for Muslims on the other side. how about instead of going against them. sponsor them.

I don’t understand the negativity of many posters towards JF-17. It is a modern, capable and inexpensive aircraft that can hold its own amongst its contemporaries in Gripen, Tejas, F/A-50 and Ching Kuo. And with continued development (WS-13, AESA, etc.) it will remain broadly competitive with future Gripen and Tejas developments.

1. perhaps its because the market for cheap light weight fighters is as small as the aircraft itself? poor countries are buying mid-heavy planes even.
2. even poor countries have standards and jf-17 doesn’t meet them.
3. most countries dont have pakistan’s problems with suppliers.