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May 25, 2013 at 6:29 pm in reply to: KF-X a (missed) opportunity for Spain and Germany ? #2267721

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The Typhoon production is nearing it’s end for both Spain and Germany. Now Eurofighter is in the run for the South Korean F-X III as well as Cassidian bidding for a consulting contract to develop the KF-X.
The C203 proposal looks like a stealthified Typhoon, and would use many subsystems like the EJ-200 engines.
Looks to me like a good opportunity for both countries to get involved. This way Germany and Spain could obtain a 5th generation aircraft to replace older legacy types as Tornadoes and Mirages/Hornets.
Plus a Typhoon order from SoKo would keep Cassidian of Germany/Spain in the buiseness for some time. The Koreans don’t seem to be interested in local assembly, instead quick delivery and front up price is more
important.
So the deal looks like this: Koreans buy Tiffies now, and contract Cassidian for the F-X III. Spain and Germany sign up as junior partner in KF-X and commit themselves to a KF-X purchase in 2020+

All the involved parties get capable aircraft with high amount of commonality. The Europeans can keep their industry in buiseness and get an affordable 5th gen jet.
Koreans get acces to technology, and can establish themselves on the international stage as contenders in the fighter market.

Happy discussing. :very_drunk:

how do you know if KF-X meets european requirements?

May 25, 2013 at 5:47 pm in reply to: JF-17, News, Views & Speculation 2013 #2267728

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Definitely not from the Middle East. That place is American and Russian territory. Sri Lanka might be a potential customer :eagerness:

war in Sri Lanka is over.
but maybe Bangladesh could be a customer

May 25, 2013 at 5:44 pm in reply to: Your Favorite Hornet/Super Hornet pics. #2267732

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Frank, I’d like to ask nicely… Why are you giving me a forum rules? I’ve already read that before the link. Also i never harass anybody on the thread. It was Y-20, EELightning, and the Riaino guy. All i did is to stop with the talking about you know what. Also did you gave them warnings to? I’d like to know because if it is ONLY me then that’s unfair.

Steven

dont worry Stevie, the only one who got warned is EE because he was violating forum conduct rules by going off topic the whole time.
you got a forum rule thing for other reason, which is image quoting and size! different things.

May 24, 2013 at 10:43 pm in reply to: Future of Pakistan AF? #2267949

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What about Iran?

I can see Iran wanting to push through with its own fighter programs, even if its obsolete.
not talking about their stealth wonder 😉

May 24, 2013 at 9:09 pm in reply to: A350 Paint job completed #511502

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looks nice to me. although it’d be nice if it had the 787’s engine.

any comparison of the looks of the 787 and a350?

May 24, 2013 at 8:39 pm in reply to: is there a market for USED Gripen and USED Typhoon? #2267973

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Unless Germany donates em for free, I think any Typhoon for Poland is a dream at best.
They will keep operating MiG-29 for many years, well past 2020. Would be sensible to go for an SMT-style upgrade with that kind of timeframe, so far the upgrades are modest to put mildly.
http://theaviationist.com/2013/03/18/polish-fulcrums/#.UZ1Nn8pz4_A

More F-16s is the only thing I can see them acquiring in the next 10 years.

quite possible. Germany is quite generous to Poland these past couple of years as seen with the mig-29 and leopard sales.
Germany doesn’t seem too enthralled with the typhoon and is quite eager to rid itself of some and down size its military as a while.
quite sad really.
but then again, the fourth reich’s strongest weapons are its banks. they’ve dominated Greece with out sending in a single panzer.

May 24, 2013 at 7:28 pm in reply to: Future of Pakistan AF? #2268003

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Yes, I agree with the first part – ideal as PAF’s mainstay / workhorse. About the second bit: I wrote about this possibility as far back as 2007!

http://www.grandestrategy.com/2009/03/light-sabre-for-third-world-fc-1-jf-17.html

didn’t you also write that the jf-17 could beat the su-30mki once it got aesa and long range missiles?

May 24, 2013 at 7:25 pm in reply to: Amazing Weapons Loads – Tornado #2268005

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The Iraqi runways needed to be taken out ASAP and there was no other way to do it, nor were there anyone else very keen on doing the mission. Enter the RAF. It wasn’t about being over confident, they knew the risks, they knew what they had to do and they went out and done it with great affect. They get the Brass Balls Award for sure.

How low can a Tornado get?

as far as the IDS goes, I do quite like the desert and marineflieger scheme

May 24, 2013 at 7:10 pm in reply to: JF-17, News, Views & Speculation 2013 #2268017

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my speculations for 2013:

no new export customers

May 24, 2013 at 1:21 am in reply to: MMRCA & F/A-18E/F #2268427

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IAF attrition rates were higher since the IAF mounted far more sorties that were intended to destroy ground targets and CAS, as compared to the PAF. Even then, the IAF achieved nearly complete air superiority within a few days of the 1971 war, with the PAF nearly ceasing any opposition against it towards the end.

in addition, during 1965, the IAF was using obsolete fighters like the Vampire, whereas the PAF was being armed with the Sabre, which outclassed it easily. Even the Mystere was nearing obsolescence by 1965 itself.

in other words, given that time frame and the likelihood that IAF and PAF training were similar..
the superiority of Soviet and UK aircraft over US designs had a stronger factor compared to other air conflicts.
sounds interesting.

May 24, 2013 at 1:19 am in reply to: QEC Construction #2000915

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Nice bomb throw there. Lets see who bites.

not bombed, but I am bummed.
i wish my country had such a nice brand new ship.
makes me wish to be British..
but then again, I’m reminded about all the things that come out of Britain such as spice girls, one direction, etc.. that make me glad I’m not.

May 24, 2013 at 1:17 am in reply to: F-14 vs Tornado ADV in RAF #2268429

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That is what I heard, probably read in that book actually.

I agree that the system and missiles as a whole if the UK had gone for Phoenix would of been too costly, the issue that they would no-longer be in production in the mid 80’s is suspect. F-14 was for sale in the mid 80’s and carried on in production until the 90’s.

If the UK had gone the F-14 route I would presume they would of been looking at the GE-F-110 rather then the TF30 maybe with some kind of licence build agreement on certain sub systems (making it more expensive but I digress).

Whilst the F.3 Tornado has a pretty poor reputation I think it was the right choice in the circumstances of the time. By the time they retired it was a very capable fighter in its defined role.

yes indeed, if industry concerns werent a factor, f-14 would’ve been very viable for UK’s defense needs, now that I read your posts. perhaps if they had the f-14 then there would not have been a need to join eurofighter/rafale and UK would make a 5th gen replacement in the 90s-2000s

May 24, 2013 at 1:13 am in reply to: F-14 vs Tornado ADV in RAF #2268434

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says RAF considered F-14 and F-15 to meet need for fighter to spank su-24 and bears out of the sky over the ocean.
chose mig-23 looking tornado ADV instead.

First you said, they wanted the F-14, then you said they considered both. That text you posted simply said they evaluated them. Similar words can have different meanings so be careful how you phrase things. The opening post of this thread was quite misleading. The RAF never wanted the F-14….they simply looked at it as something which could possibly replace the Lightning. The phrase “if it went as planned” is even more misleading…..nobody in the MoD ever made plans to purchase the Tomcat.

see the gibson report below. There are many sources that state UK MOD has examined the F-14 to meet their needs to intercept bombers and there are several people here who also know. how you interpret my posts is your problem not mines.

Your insistence that the Tornado looks like a MiG-23 is also quite curious to me. What if I said the Su-24 looks like a MiG-23 with side by side seats and two engines…. 😉
Or how about the J-8II looks like a MiG-23 with a tailed delta……..lol.
Now saying an M-346 looks like a Yak-130….that’s a bit more accurate. 🙂

sure keep on arguing over something subjective. su-24 and mig-23 are similar era jets with similar solutions just like the tornado and mig-23 are.
in many ways the JH-7 looks like the tornado if it had fixed wings and a bit bulkier.
m346 and yak-130 share a history together.

May 23, 2013 at 1:10 am in reply to: F-14 vs Tornado ADV in RAF #2268976

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I too have never heard of the RAF wanting the F-14 at any point. Your source?

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http://books.google.com/books?id=OT07eK-W1xgC&pg=PA422&lpg=PA422&dq=british++f-14+replace&source=bl&ots=c3-HVn7YSz&sig=LWsSAsDGnTINvDlbSmTbN_5phjY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1F2dUZW8O6etiALnv4HoDg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=british%20%20f-14%20replace&f=false

says RAF considered F-14 and F-15 to meet need for fighter to spank su-24 and bears out of the sky over the ocean.
chose mig-23 looking tornado ADV instead.

May 22, 2013 at 7:29 pm in reply to: F-14 vs Tornado ADV in RAF #2269165

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When did the RAF want to buy the F-14?…

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