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the US Navy sure had a ton of designs during the 50s and early 60s.. why is that?

F-5s, Mig-21 upgrades?? Why would anyone invest anymore in such ancient technology and waist anymore time and money on such old frames. I don’t get this at all.

very cheap to operate, and they are very solid reliable airplane. the airframe age can be reduced somewhat through overhauls (to an extent). thats why so man yF-5s an d MiG-21s still in service. also god enough for policing

Yak-130 is one of my favorite planes, but it cannot be a policeman. Its too slow, period. For policing the sky you need supersonic airplane, and a bit longer range radar preferably than yak-130 has.
I would love to see Yak-130 in Serbian air force as well, but I think that developing Super Galeb further makes a lot more sense for such role.

Czechs were planning to use ALCA to do that role and thats even slower than the Yak-130!

I still think that if choice had to be made this year, financially and practically Mig-29M2 was the best choice given the available choice.

if Russia offered soem kind of military help
thats not the best available choice

best available choice is this

just re-furb more of these. done.

However in the missile age shooting down migs has been one of the rarest missions a fighter pilot will undertake and most fighter losses have been to SAMs and ground fire. Between 1968 and 1972 the US didn’t venture into mig territory, so its a waste to have F8s in the theatre to combat a threat that does not exist when they can be profitably employed attacking ground targets.

i like this convo.. very interesting topic..
would the F-8 prolong the life of ark royal? if it did, would the F-8 still be useful in teh Falklands?
the French used the F-8 forever!

the X-32 is the only thing today thats close to a modern day F-8

Neither why don’t just get Both? MiG-35 isn’t as much successful as other Russian fighters. Coincidence?

does the air force really need both?

many air forces that are operating fulcrums and flankers are retiring one and focusing on the other.
Belarus is leaning towards fulcrum only and retiring their flankers
Malaysia is leaning towards flankers and retiring fulcrum
Ukraine might go fulcrum over flanker but we shall see
Eritrea prefers flanker over fulcrum

But my planes 1/72 scale model has flown..in a heavy wind…I am still analysing…seems that it was too hastily built. It flew from the first hand throw around 10 meters and completed 2 ( fairly large dia ) barrel rolls fluently. It has a metal hook for some serious catapult action in calmer weather for supersonic equivalent speeds ( not supersonic ).

There is in the same scale my 12 years old unlimited Merlin powered Reno-racer Able Duck in the background ( a joined wing pusher design ).

The model is mostly plywood so I just bend the surfaces to get some better data about its stableness and flight caracteristics..it is pretty stable already..there were few outstanging flights too..what bugs me a bit is that few times it went inverted and was also very stable flying upside down..with a higher sink rate.

wheres the room for air intake and engines?

adriann,

With all due respect, your analysis is way off.

There is no danger of a revolt of any kind by the army. The army is under strict political (albeit not democratic) control by the civilian authorities. Serbia is simply not one of those countries in which the military is a separate block from civilian political affairs.

Certainly wages are low, as is morale, but it is not just unlikely but neigh on impossible that this deal is some kind of effort to buy the army off.

If you’re looking for a back-story, think more in terms of Russia’s interests (both financial and geopolitical).

Serbia’s interest here, as I’ve already written above, is hard to discern. The individual politicians involved will, of course, have their moment in newspapers as they stand by brand new airframes, shake hands with pilots and with Russian officials or MiG representatives but there is much more to it than that.

As for lamenting the disappearance of the Yugoslav army, forget about it. No army tradition could survive what happened to Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Besides, most of what was good about it was myth and its vulnerability to political squabbling within the country became more than apparent in 1991. That said, it stood head and shoulders above the combined armies of all the successor states but then, that was a Cold War thing as much as anything.

you my friend.. are a logical guy. but everyone here wants shiny new toys.

Of course, I forgot, a reliable source does not constitute any support for an argument, but your ramblings on forums, “opinions”, fanboy wet dreams and web heresay constitute definitive proof. You are also “privy” to some mythical contract the Chinese are supposed to have signed and know for sure that they will order 250 JF-17s, and lets not forget your idea that the JF-17 is far superior to the SU-30. Besides, aren’t you the guy behind this quasi conspiracy theory/paranoid website? Who lives in a world of their own now? Grandestrategy?! what a joke!

http://www.grandestrategy.com/

I guess all these other old news pieces are complete garbage as well :rolleyes:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chengdu-aircraft-industrial-9637/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cultural-revolution-24854/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chinese-plan-to-fly-light-fighter-prototype-in-2000-33586/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/chinapakistan-signal-intent-to-resume-fc-1-development-work-33894/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bidders-line-up-for-fc-1-super-7-avionics-45307/

If you believe Flightglobal has been publishing factually incorrect news over the past 15 years, I suggest you contact them and give them some of your so called “privy” information :rolleyes:

lol PLA is the same guy who thinks Turkey should get the JF-17 and also wishes he was Chinese.