I don’t know why the Tu-154 keeps popping up when its the Il-86 and 96 in question (although the 62 could be possible).
I imagine the Tupolev’s three engine lay out would not take well to the addition of an awacs covering its intake area.
why would Pakistan and China build another new type. There is already the jf-17 and j-10 for the last gen, and j-31 and j-20 for the next.
Pakistan and Bangladesh has plenty of existing options. and your Bangladesh is also open to Russia so you have some nice options there too.
its worth noting the il-86 airframe has been used for other military applications so I don’t buy the (il-86 is not suited for military) use

hah, yeah the alphajet and c160 were fine (sort of).
its more of these late/post cold-war collabs that tend to suck. no decisive threat leading to diverging interests and goals.
Good comments
The T-tail issue is something interesting. is it still a problem in Russian based AWACS as the Il-76 is a T-Tail design?
And glad some one else also thinks the Il-96 would have served as a better basis for AWACS than the Il-76.
I am also surprised the Il-76 had more range than the 86, although I still stand that the 86 would have been a better platform.
Its just as big, same era, mass produced.
With lighter radars and more forms now available, I suspect the MC-21 could also serve as another platform for a smaller AWACS.
Similar to the balance beam awacs 737. Could be useful for export, especially countries like Kazakhstan.
thank you my tasty Bengali fries.
doesn’t it look a lot like the Tejas?
Not sure if it is wise for Norway to give up its submarine fleet given its key position in the northern Atlantic. Should cut funds elsewhere to support the subs (like F-35 as mentioned).
South Korean stuff are good enough and affordable
speaking of reliability..ive found this
The unreliability and under-*performance of two of Australia’s military helicopter fleets has caused a lack of jobs for pilots and a reduction in training operations at Army Aviation.
These are the latest problems to be associated with the Tiger attack and reconnaissance helicopter and the troop transport MRH-90 Taipan, according to notes in the Defence Department’s annual *report.
Both helicopter fleets, which together cost more than $5 billion, have been notoriously unreliable, with the Taipan running five years behind to reach final operational capability due next year and the Tiger reaching FOC last year — seven years late and then only with a number of caveats.
The annual report says there has been reduced overall training due to the ability to absorb pilots into units as a flow-on from the *choppers’ underperformance.
“High maintenance liability continues to impact rate-of-effort achievement,” it says. “There was reduced training at the Army Aviation Training Centre due to the ability to absorb pilots into the operational unit.”
The report singles out the MRH-90, saying “reliability, availability and maintainability deficiencies continued to impact the fleet”.
“Availability levels have not yet been achieved for transition of the MRH-90 into the Special Forces support role,’’ it said. “Flying was suspended twice during 2016-17 due to technical information management issues, with corresponding rate-of-effort achievement.”
Among the roles the Taipans were supposed to undertake was as a replacement for the ageing Black Hawk helicopters flying special forces.
The report said the Tigers’ rate of effort had been estimated to fly 4800 hours over the year but attained 3971 while the Taipans were due 7000 but only managed 5348.
It revealed the MH-60R Seahawk had been estimated to fly 4800 hours but only managed 4037 because of a lack of crew.
it only confirms my theory that whenever the Germans and French collaborate on something, the end product isn’t that great.
better to go full French or full German.
ok so why not the il-86 if airliners are cheaper and easier to support.
it was certainly available when the Soviets made the A-50
could’ve used some Chinese engines to power this

we don’t agree on a few things Harvey, but definitely agree with you on Norway.
what do you think they should’ve purchased instead (for those bad acquisitions you’ve listed)
Thanks eagle. that makes sense. sounds like really, they should consider Gripen or golden eagles.
next question. are you and eagle1 rivals? German Swiss vs French Swiss?
to our sexy eagle.
question. why is the typhoon too expensive to do QRA and the Rafale and F-35 not? even though as you said, they are all around the same price
wow, problems both at sea and on land.
this begs the question, didn’t those forces who procured them carefully examine it?
examine the structural quality of the floor
the accessibility of its doors
its compatibility with ships?
it seems a lot of these things could have been avoided
thats a good point KGB.
given that Qatars enemies..the saudis and UAE are anti Russian.. Qatar should’ve considered Russian equipment.
Also agree with the others.. the spending doesn’t have to be exclusively aviation related. more ships, tanks, etc would’ve been good.
well not sure what their navy has.. their army already has some really top notch stuff. Leopard 2A7s, THAAD, etc.
lol at attempts to push Rafale.
yeah I think the Rafale has better strike capabilities so far compared to the typhoon.. but not so much so for the Luftwaffe to invest in the type compared to upgrading the Typhoons.. and to a lesser likelihood..buying F-35s which would at least give them interoperability with other nato countries and meets their next gen needs.
But to you francophiles.. heres a consolation prize. In the end many of the Typhoon countries were probably better off with the Rafale design from the beginning. already carrier capable and more strike ready (which is where most of the action is being done these days)..
But never say never.. Germany can be as retarded as Qatar and buy both the Rafale and Typhoon.
and heres a Luftwaffe Flanker

Harvey is gonna get wet looking at that pic.