quantum,
no need to apologize. you’ve been accurate in most of your posts.
unfortunately theres a group here that has overly optimistic views of their favorite planes. go against that view and they harass you.
look at the link I posted from an older thread on the J-20. A good chunk of people were insisting it was under 20m. It wasn’t 19 to 21m, it was consistently under 20m being stated.
a few non-chinabots and even a Chinese, were skeptical and called them out on that claim. Those people were attacked and chased out of the forums. Thats why we don’t see Emile.
The current posters here are probably too young to remember, but in the early days of Keypublishing, the same exact thing happened when the J-10 emerged.
People like Crobato and other similar bots claimed it was the same size as the F-16. when others called them out about it, they were attacked. After it became clear that the J-10 was larger, they conveniently forget their old claims. Same with the J-20.
the Su-35 story was also one that was being strongly resisted by the same crowd as fake Russian news.
an old thread where Emile, a Chinese member, was butting heads with other chinabots claiming it was definitely under 20m lol. worth looking at several pages there.
https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?108395-J-20-Black-Eagle-Part-5/page5
a google chached image from Chinese sources comparing the f-22 and the j-20. needless to say it was very off
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since it is over 21m, 22-23 is not that far off, especially to people saying it was 19m.
whats more is that when that picture of the flanker clone and j-20 on the same tarmac began circulating, people here were so sure that the j-20 is smaller than a flanker when they are comparable in size.
second was how people here vehemently denied china was going to buy the su-35. whats wrong with the su-35?
ROFLMAO
there were fools here who kept insisting it was 18 or 19 meters, but no more than 20, and that it was the size of the f-22.
Quantum was the only one who also reached a similar conclusion as mines that it was near identical with the Flanker, and his posts above prove it again.
Not sure why having the longest 5th gen fighter makes some chinabots go nuts.
anyways moving on, now that the su-35 is confirmed, which is the PLAAFs best fighter.. the su-35 or j-20?
yup I agree with DJ Cross
contract should go to Lockheed or Leonardo
LOL
I knew it would happen. Overkill. Even if dumbed down, had much higher operation costs than needed for a small landlocked country.
They should’ve chosen Gripen from the start
but for some reason Tom Cooper (Deino’s boss at ACIG) defended it as a wise choice for Austria.
^ can you find pics of the supposed naval L-15 trainer on the carrier?
defensenews says there’s pics of it, but I havent found it
i always liked the ADV version, but wondered why not more countries ordered the type.
would’ve fit well with say, Japan or South Korea in the 80s or other places taht needed a lot of interceptors
Russia refutes claim India unhappy with MiG-29K fighters
lol at RAC
they more or less said
“That report is WRONG! nothing wrong with our plane.. and btw, Indian ships only work with our planes, so dont even think about buying other jets”
After every carrier landing (which is virtually like a crash), components of the aircraft crack, break or stop functioning. The aircraft, then goes to the workshop for repair/replacement of the part, which often has to come from Russia,” Prakash said.
A report last year by India’s autonomous auditing agency, the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, said the MiG-29K was to be technically accepted despite discrepancies and anomalies.
“Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engine MiG-29K fighters have been withdrawn from service due to design-related defects,” according to the report.
it was dumb idea to begin with. all the armchair guys here knew it they should have chosen Rafale or the F-35.
its ok, there’s still time. India changes their Rafale orders to Rafale M and the Mig-29Ks go to the Air force instead.
great news and pics
hopefully it’ll be closer to action so we can see J-20s vs Indian FGFAs to see who gets to annex bhutan!
you fail.
they’re not even the same size or weight category.
lol hopsalot, way to overreact, it was only 2 weeks ago.
https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/05/17/trump-coast-guard-saved-money-f-35-aircraft-carrier/
Donald Trump tells Coast Guard He saved them money on the F-35
