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  • in reply to: Typhoon vs J-10 for Iraq #2279351
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    Can Iraq even afford to buy Su35S,don’t forget Su35S cost 70+million$ each vs Mig29M2 of about 35million$ each,Su35S are also more expensive to operate,I doubt Iraq has enough money to buy such expensive advanced heavy fighter plane,they are better off buying Mig29M2.
    Mig35 is not even in production yet lol and first orders will be reserved for Russian VVS.

    if Iraq has enough money to operate the Mig-29M2, then they have enough money to operate an Su-35. Fulcrums are not exactly light or cheap machines to operate
    thats why so many of its supposed operators can’t afford to operate them.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2279357
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    I hope you are joking as No way in hell will Russia sell a highly secret classified tech as PAKFA to a banana republic like Algeria or other third world countries like Brazil ect, why should Russia sell PAKFA to these countries so US will undoubtabely send their experts to analyze every aspect of this highly classified technology fighter that these countries would be more than happy to give US a detailed look at,no way in hell. Also I would like to know where whould Algeria or Brazil find the money or even close to pay about 150 million per plane especially given Algeria’s great track record of not paying for Mig29 SMT? Russia is not desperate for money like it was in the 90’s and therefore won’t sell sensitive classified tech to anyone,just look at all the secrecy accociated with the new Russian Armata tank program,no pictures of it are even being releses never mind even trying to buy it. Also Russian VVS will buy 200-250+ Pakfa as it is planned as the mainstay and core of the Russian VVS so Russia does not need export sales to keep costs down and all the Pakfa production capacity is needed for Russian VVS so that’s another reason Russia cannot export Pakfa. Also keep in mind that the FGFA export version is not the same thing as PAKFA it might have similar airframe but the radars,ecm and other classified tech is removed and will be replaced with something else. Russia might sell China some Su35S but never PAKFA,why so they will undoubtably copy it ahhaha no.

    Actually Brazil is richer than Russia, yep yep.
    Don’t forget, Pak-fa is already exported to India.
    US experts already analyzing every aspect of Russian aircraft, even in Russia itself. See US spies and Su-34 scandal.

    in reply to: Typhoon vs J-10 for Iraq #2279580
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    not a single cent was paid from the iraqi budget to HANWHA… all the money is from deposits by Iraqi house buyers.

    apologies about my error of $5bn with the social security budget!

    But ultimately the story with “weapons sales” is similar to the story with all other sectors of the Iraqi economy… the “westerners” massively underplay and under-rate Iraq’s potential and pretty much refuse to entertain even participating or competing with the Asian companies in the Iraqi market. Their loss.

    Since you had a look at Iraq’s budget you will see that defence imports get $5Bn for 2014 + a security budget of $18.5Bn… and you will be well aware of Iraq’s total federal cash reserves of over $100Bn deposited in Iraq and abroad (going up by about $2bn a month!)… i.e. they can afford to buy “brand new planes” far more than pretty much any EU state just about now drowning in debt and unfunded liabilities private and public debt of 600% GDP… despite having the GDP “turbochargers” of fractional reserve banking and copious consumption taxes… without which the public+private debt % would be breathtaking in nature! Yet no one says “they can’t afford aircraft”? How about India? Vietnam? Algeria? Angola? and many others… no one argues that they can’t afford weapons!

    if had to buy Russian, mig-35 would be a poor choice.
    instead Su-30MKA would be better, you’d at least have something in common with Algeria

    in reply to: Waging an air war in North Asia – 2025 Scenario #2279618
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    US was reluctant to participate in WW2 but after pearl harbour people were gunning to be drafted.

    so you think Taiwan formally declaring independence would be akin to Pearl Harbor?

    in reply to: Typhoon vs J-10 for Iraq #2279621
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    Iraq might have oil but it’s hardly a country rich enough to have a Typhoon based airforce.

    Either they get Chinese fighters (like the J10), second hand F16s with AMRAAM integrated, or Gripen E with Meteor.

    Typhoon would be too expensive.

    Btw QuantumFX. Doesnt this look like A2G?
    http://media.powerapple.com/uploadimages/1235847937_3284.jpg

    to be honest I didn’t know the J-10’s range was that poor. The Typhoon is relatively poor as it is, and the J-10’s is almost half of that of the Typhoon.
    that means any A2G config would require at least one, and more likely three fuel tanks, decreasing the number of pylons available for heavy a2g munitions.
    Also there doesn’t seem to be much potential for fueselage pylons like the Rafale or Typhoon.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2280551
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    053 :):
    http://russianplanes.net/id122466
    051:
    http://russianplanes.net/id122480

    so when will Algeria receive some to shoot down Rafales?

    in reply to: Typhoon vs J-10 for Iraq #2280553
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    Have CAC been pushing pakistan to J-10s? I think the PAF have been interested in it meaning they’ve obviously been shown it, with initial overtures made, supposedly even an agreement in 2009 or whenever it was to acquire 36. But that was all anecdotal and nothing has arisen, not from the chinese side at least.

    As for export clearance…
    http://english.people.com.cn/90786/8421772.html

    I think it was in the PAF thread, some one posted an article where China was asking PAF whether they were going to buy it or not, apparently they are tired of waiting for Pakistan’s response.
    sometimes its good to check out what goes on in other air forces besides China.

    however your news link is also interesting. I am surprised they haven’t granted an export monkey model yet.

    in reply to: Waging an air war in North Asia – 2025 Scenario #2280588
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    I
    Now we’re moving onto a separate topic — i.e.: whether China would be willing to go to war with Taiwan in the first place.
    I foresee only a few reasons why China will invade Taiwan: deterioration of cross strait relations to the point of Taiwan moving to formal independence, and Taiwanese pursuit of nuclear weapons.
    I am relatively confident that the mainland populace would support an invasion under either circumstance.
    But who knows how moods will play out in coming decades.

    first you state that mainland Chinese and Taiwanese would be reluctant in killing fellow Chinese
    but then you state that the mainlanders would be in full support of such actions which come with invasion, which is it?

    in reply to: Typhoon vs J-10 for Iraq #2280590
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    J-10 still isn’t cleared for export and I’m not sure if they need typhoons top end capabilities.
    JF-17 would be a good fit though. Still the Iraqi F-16 deal doesn’t look like it will derail, so this is all academic anyway

    if CAC is still trying to push J-10s to Pakistan, what makes you think its not cleared for export? The only reason why Pakistan hasn’t jumped on it yet is because 1. they’re broke. 2. what little money they have, they seem interested in a 5th gen type from China that could stand up to the FGFA

    but I agree, maybe we should add the JF-17 and its academic for now. Iraq can still purchase the aircraft even with F-16s, just as how the former IrAF had French, Russian, and other aircraft.

    in reply to: F-16IQ: Status? #2280602
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    there are no pilots who are current on MiG29s in Iraq. Iraq had already put the remaining MiG29s it had into storage by 1995 and focused on keeping its few MiG23, MiG25 and Mirage-F1s as its front line combat type until 2003.

    And you are indeed correct in stating that Iraq has had a dual supply policy in weapons since 1937… something that remained in force despite regime changes and several invasions…

    Of course the F16 Block 52+ airframes are all nice and dandy… the fact that Iraqis are not allowed to hang off them any weapons without US approval is not so nice… it would be an “OK” weapon for simple ground attack and recon (against some smaller internal threats)… but I doubt it will be used as an interceptor at all once a proper fighter is inducted in the future.

    here’s the thing, I thought US policies usually with held the release of a certain weapon unless others in the area had them.
    since Turkey, Israel, and a few others already have AMRAAM, why can’t Iraq too.

    in reply to: Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender #1789300
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    Whether you consider the assumption logical and likely is up to your own discretion, and what little we may deduce from performance parameters of the respective missile systems, in the background of likely Turk requirements.

    for all we know, the tender may have placed performance parameters quite low and a strong emphasis on tot and costs. see Brazil.

    in reply to: Waging an air war in North Asia – 2025 Scenario #2280778
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    (Again? When did I first undermine history?)
    Whether those “regionalistic” examples can be applied today as a cause for high mutual hate is doubtful, and I never claimed there hasn’t been “intra Han chinese killing”. My claim was time and culture specific, that because of (relatively) common cultural/ethnic heritage, among other factors (greater informationization, globalization, cross strait links), a mainland-taiwan conflict probably won’t see the kind of mass killings or ethnic cleansing that we’ve seen in some other conflicts in recent years, namely the Balkans which was brought up.

    I.e.: there will obviously be killing, but probably less ethnic hate motivated murders, relative to XYZ. Then again, we can’t predict what each nation may do, and may foment rumours and hate so as to enforce greater discipline, will to fight, etc in their soldiers, which if left unchecked could result in the same effect.

    i agree that time can change feelings towards one another, but you’ve also left out other variables such as the role of ideologies.
    keep in mind that it was only a few decades ago Chinese were more willing to kill other Chinese than to fight the Japanese.
    These days China is richer and less willing to go to war.. it hasn’t fought a major war since 1979
    countries are more willing to go to war (especially with a neighbor) when their situation is poorer and its people less prosperous.
    the new generation of mainlanders are more educated and thus more critical, becoming more aware of the outside, and more willing to engage the outside.
    just like how Americans can no longer stomach long wars, should a Chinese invasion (and it will be a PRC invasion because the ROC is unlikely to start hostilities), the longer it plays out, the less the PRC is willing to stomach it.

    in reply to: AIDC Ching-Kuo thread #2280781
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    India’s F125 is with full digital control whereas previous versions were mechanical.

    And one knock on F-CK-1’s F125 was the performance limitations imposed on the originals. The negotiated improved performance into later contracts that unlocked the artificial limitations, giving engines about 1500 more pounds of thrust. The spool up time is pretty comparable to the performance of the KF-16, but neither F125 that they use or the F100 are going to spool as quickly as the F404.

    give this thing 1 F404, and it’d look just like the T-50

    in reply to: AIDC Ching-Kuo thread #2280784
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    Ta.

    Ah. Well. The complaint about Ching-kuo wasn’t lack of thrust, but engine response, & India chose F125 instead of upgraded Adours partly (not entirely) because the F125 has greater maximum thrust. But Adour engine response is better, & this was claimed as an advantage in a low-level strike aircraft.

    you’re right, i misquoted Arthur. it was the response issue, not thrust.

    in reply to: Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender #1789311
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    But the fact that FD-2000 was even a competitor in this tender, never mind coming out on top, means it must have similar performance, and

    again your assumption, you assume that you know what the Turkish requirements are that led to them even considering the Chinese missile.

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