Having operated the A-109 for some years, the RMAF has found – as did theSouth Africans – that it is not as ‘rugged’ as the Alouette 3.
No, it has nothing to do with the absence of any Israeli sourced avionics or components.
Stuff that was fitted on the MKMs, that were not on the MKI, included –
A CTH-3032 non-holographic HUD, 7 LCD displays, a TLS-2020B VOR/ILS, a Raytheon IFF TSB-2515 transponder, a Rohde & Schwartz VHF/UHF transceiver , a SIGMA 95 ring gyro based Inertial Navigation System, a Thales NC-1E TACAN, an Avitronics Missile Approach Warning System, wing tip mounted [SAP51M active jammers and the Damocles targeting/navigation pod.
Stuff common to both variants included –
The N-011 Bars radar, Saturn AL-31FP engines, thrust vector, the OMZ 36Sh-01 IRST, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. RC-1 and RC-2 mission computer, a Tester-U3 flight data recorder, a UPOV flash memory recorder, an L-150-30 multi octave radar warning receiver and a UV30MK chaff/flare dispenser.
The fact remains that because of various differences in the avionics fit in the MKM, nobody was able to assist in developing a syllabus that was specific to the MKM and the RMAFs operational use for it; and the RMAF had to do it the hard way. This is not fantasy or something I conjured up whilst hitting the keyboard. The same happened years before when the IAF bought its MKIs, the Russians were unable to help because it wasn’t operated by them. I actually met the IAF team that was here in Malaysia and spoke to them in lenght about this issue ….
I have explained in detail why operating the MKM has not turned out to be a cost effective solution for the RMAF; despite the platform being cheaper to buy, and I have also mentioned why the RMAF is less than happy with its MKMs. Again, I also personally know people who were involved in the deal and I personally know people who are currently flying the MKM, and who use to fly the Hornet – you can call it ‘hearsay’, I call it ‘facts’.
You can keep disagreeing all you want and you can doubt my claims, it makes absolutely no difference to me …. If you have better sources to indicate that what I have said is factually wrong, please corrrect me.
My take is that the RMAF would have been better off buying something that was already fully integrated and in service; rather than buying a small number of a customised variant that had equipment specific only to the RMAF. Another advantage is that the RMAF exercises with the USN and RAAF much more regularly and intensively than it does with others, thus in 2002 despite not being ‘cheaper’ than the MKM, the Super Hornet was the more ideal buy. At the moment, unless cash is allocated, the current budget can barely fund a Gripen buy but in 2002, there was cash allocated for 18 Super Hornets….
I didn’t say otherwise. As I mentioned previously, I was merely pointing out the differences in equipment.
you’re wasting your time arguing with JSR
agreed most of the Malaysian sources sum it up as
Russian:
pros: very few political barriers
cons: flakey support and costs
US:
pros: good support and operation costs
cons: more potential political barriers
short term solution
consolidate on just two types, get more Su-30MKM, maintain existing F-18 Hornets and perhaps convince Finland or Kuwait to give up theirs
retire F-5, Mig-29, Hawk
long term solution
even more Su-30MKM, a new type to replace the F-18 Hornet.. either something European or Super Hornet.
they should just mimic India and do Flankers and Rafales.. at least that way they can share some training and equipment with them too.
Sri Lanka AF needs to rebuild but in a different way than what some of these guys are suggesting.
its current AF is built for war with the LTTE. Now that its over and the Sri Lankans are killing off the Tamil population,
they need to focus away from ground attack to air and maritime patrol.
they should retire all their floggers and maintain their current Kfir fleet, which are currently superior to the JF-17.
get some turbo prop trainers that could also be used for CAS
some eads MPA aircraft like the c-297.
however we need to look at the long term politics too. Their new government is becoming a nepotism that India dislikes.
maybe in that case, Sri Lanka may re-align itself with China and Pakistan.
I don’t want to be OT anymore but the Boeing approach is far cheaper and less risky than the LM one for an average similar performance (and being honest, those design are so complex to finalize that the chance to reach your design goals going the high way are far less than if you start from a simpler approach and refine it along the way) . One thing that can be granted from Boeing is that their management team know how to count billions of dollars cents after cents 😉
When I am looking at the Korean and Turkish design such as the ones that are released on the web I see only complexed dev teams that try to looks like the big ones in the industry. Think smart, think and bladibladabla…
I really insist we continue on with the Boeing and Lockheed designs. this and the ATF are the only times we really see interesting and totally different approaches to the same goals.
although some would argue that the Boeing design is more risky due to its wing and material choice as well as the proposed changes in the developed version.
the korean and turkish designs look like F-35 lite
It’s not so much the people but the Governments that run the Country. Hitler was the worst in the history of the world. Yet, as a whole the Germans are Good and Descent People. The same could be said about Japan and many other countries.
the Germans may have lost WW2, but they rule Europe today.
the 4th reich realized an army of bankers is more fearsome than an army of storm troopers
Given that Convair/GeneralDynamics/LM hd proven figher integrated bomb bay design in their backpockets and Boeing (at the time) had not, I think it was a wise move from both party to concentrate on what amateurish criticism would target.
But by the way, what is really interesting is that none of the nations develloping 5th gen fighters such as Turkey or Korea hve re-used the Boeing concept. Even if the thick delta top mounted wing would greatly solve many problems inherent to that kind of fighter. Even more than now the full carbon skin problem would be far more easy to solve (or sub-contracted “cheaply” to a Dassault/Boeing and alikes).
most likely because Turkey and Korea have limited R&D capabilities and are likely going for less risky/off the shelf approaches.
similar to what China does.
No it did not as it was not required being a tech demonstrator.
thats bull ****, lockheed won with no bays while boeing just needed some modifications on its inlet and wings but had a fully working bay..

Turkey should be at the same level of experience as South Korea
no it is design originally to be very flat but they had some problem so it is imperfect flat
big difference than pakfa where it is intentionally design to not have flat underside
did the x-35 have a working bay? didn’t really take a look to its bottom side until now
Paid,
dispute seems to be over maritime boundaries, i guess we can expect some aggressive flying over water.
Good idea – possible F-16 successor 2030+.
but its too small to be an F-16 successor? that’s what the original KFX was supposed to be like.
Korea should just join Turkey on their TFX.. they seem to have more political will to do it.
at the end of the day, 75% chance they’ll just buy F-35s
Radars are not a common practice. With the exception of MiG-21 Lancer (Elta EL/M-2032) I have to think hard about any Eastern jet equipped with Western radar or vice versa.
This just does not happen.
I remember hearing a jillion times people saying
“i would like a Flanker.. with western avionics”.
and I think you’re right, I don’t see anything other than mig-21s being fitted with a Western radar set. not even the Romanian Sniper.
I don’t think I’ve seen any western BVR AAM integrated on a Russian Radar or vice versa. its probably more trouble than its worth as well.
either go with the complete set or don’t.
that said I don’t see how its not possible.
El/M-2032 has been (or will be) on American, British, French, Soviet, and Korean aircraft
they should just rename the whole thing
Aerospatiale
Airbus is an Air.. Bus
they should at least re-brand their combat aircraf tot
Airtank
Seriously???
#1 & #2 are the X/F-32 “Monica”?
:eagerness:
indeed the Monica is a modern day F-8 or mig-21
yf-23 is just cute
