I think you should reread my post. I didnot say there is no improvement it is just that improvements are not fundamental considering the cost increases. cost will further increase when production rates slow down and further investment diverted to JSF.
where is the Growler version of EF?. see Austallia F-18 example
where is carrier version of EF?. F-18/Rafale/MIG-29 and JSF/PAK-FA carrier version are sure thing.
No engine upgrade to deal with more higher power radars, extra weight of CFT.
No Meteor operational.
No AESA operational.
how many standoff supersonic cruise and antiship missiles EF can launch simulataneously?
mig-29: no aesa operational, no meteor operational
pak-fa: no carrier version operational
Even with an uprated engine a Hawk 200 variant would still be a subsonic point defence fighter. It couldn’t intercept a transiting airliner not transmitting or get out to a Russian bomber probing our ADZ quick enough. Using it for asymmetric warfare is interesting and it is worth noting that at least one senior army officer argued for bombed up Tucano for Afghanistan operations. Problem is as an idea a Hawk 200 for Afghanistan CAS is too late, the draw down is ongoing and the in theatre assets are adequate. Buying a Hawk 200 for variant for a possible future conflict like that is a waste of money. Diverting funds to buy Hawk 200 takes it away from Typhoon, F-35B and the future UCAV. There is no spare pot of money to buy the type you are arguing for and it offers too little to make it a worthwhile exercise.
The Blue Vixen radar have been sitting in some warehouse for a number of years now (if they haven’t already been broken up) with no maintenance. To integrate them on Hawk would cost big bucks if it was possible at all and give a radar that is the state of the art in the late 1980’s. It would probably be easier and cheaper to integrate a new radar (something like the Selex Vixen 500E would be logical) then mess around trying to shoehorn in Blue Vixen. Again that takes scarce funds away from other critical programs.
It is interesting to note that the Czech Republic did exactly what you are suggesting with the L159 ALCA, a very nice aircraft with some very useful capabilities but many have been mothballed as they are just too limited in capability and a drain on funds. Personally I think there was a market for them in certain countries (NewZealand for example) but in the end they have been a costly problem for the Czech.
Finally as alluded to by EElightning we have or will have assets very well suited to Asymmetric operations the Raptor drones and the future UCAV. Spending money on a combat Hawk variant again drains funding from those useful types for something that is of far less use.
Now don’t get me wrong I think more Hawk trainers should be purchased in the 2015 to 2020 timeframe to allow retirement of the Hawk T.1 but a combat Hawk is a silly waste of limited resources.
i wonder how the Malaysians and Indonesians feel about the Hawk 200, especially considering the vast distances of their territories.
the Brits did say they wanted a cheaper to operate aircraft after the Libyan experience. Whether the Hawk 200 is that aircraft or not, ..
Romania once was referred to as the Transylvanian Tiger..
what happened to that..
did the world suddenly realize they should support Team Jacob instead?
Well a hi-lo mix sharing a common engine does make rather more sense than operating two aircraft in roughly the same class without any such commonality.
I agree, should’ve made the 2nd fixed wing aircraft a different type.
but if they HAD to go “lo”,
still many other better options than jf-17.
such as the Gripen.
not only does the UK have experience operating it.. you could say its the spiritual descendent of the BAe P106
WRT the island disputes, I think China has not necessarily been any more assertive than its smaller neighbours (they haven’t been sending in warships or anything, only coastguard/maritime surveillance vessels, and almost every side has crashed a few boats and arrested a few fishermen), however the sheer, larger mass of the modernizing chinese military paints the country’s attitude towarrds the islands as belligerent and bellowing.
You should also consider the possibility that some of these disputes would’ve been resolved had some of the smaller countries not have been exposed to US “support”. They may not have been willing to even challenge china’s claims and may’ve gone to the discussion table years ago without the US… So if you want to cut it that way, it’s the US who are sparking this “arms race” (trolololol I kid of course. Realpolitik)
china has lots of border disputes with countries not aligned with the US (or weakly aligned).. some past and present ones include Vietnam, India, Bhutan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, North Korea
AFAIK those will be the ex-US ANG F-16A’s procured through Peace Atlantis II. In other words, Romanians are getting third hand F-16’s.
third hand birds, but still requires first hand government approval (the US) which is why the deal hasn’t gone all the way through yet and Romania being where it is..
I’m surprised PLA-MKII hasn’t came in and suggested
“RAF should operate a mix of eurofighter and jf-17s. the jf-17s can be re-engined with eurojets and cheap to operate!”
Can you guess what I am thinking of?
JF-17? FC-1?
perhaps this video come to life?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acMkjGv2hYg
F-22 is among the first AESA, internal carriage of weopons, TVC fighter. so even if numbers are cut capability is still there.
Problem with EF is that numbers are cut but no capability enhancement. There is not even CFT certified.
Another failed programe like EF is Chinese J-10.
Even after 10 years into production it is practically same plane. no AESA, no Engine upgrade, No CFT and certainly no advanced strike capability.
which is more successful, the EF program or the MiG-35?
lol people who say France can supply to anyone need to eat their flaming undies.
taiwan a good example of France buckling into political pressure
they gotta buy russian
Vietnamese Pak-fa would look like this
an alliance with India and US would send strong signals to China that its acting against China.
I think vietnam, despite some issues, prefers a firm but friendly and mutually beneficial relationship with China and vice versa. last thing China wants is Vietnam in the US camp or a China that puts Taiwan style pressure on Vietnam.
right now major Vietnamese equipments are also found in China. Su-30MKK, Kilos, Su-27SK, etc.. could be both good and bad as China has intelligence and counter tactics on it.
also does not help that
also espionage is big issue. Chinese and can easily pass as Vietnamese and vice versa, they can do much espionage in the country and leak information on aircraf
is that Y-20 already in service? Anybody knows when it is likely to be? the dark blue suits it IMHO. look at the tail number, looks like a 20007?? Wonder if this is an LRIP aircraft.
lol double fail
its nothing more than the GREEN 20001.

If they want numbers, should go for something a bit cheaper than these two…
and what do you recommend? lolol
Why is Tejas not a good option? Maturity? Could be a problem, depends how urgently the aircraft is required. I would expect Mk. 2 to be exportable around 2020.
A lease of Gripens could make sense in the interim; the main disadvantage of Gripen for Vietnam is that it lacks the diplomatic bonuses of Tejas or F/A-50 or surplus F-16s.
yes, politics is good but so far most of Vietnam’s modern non-Russian purchases are from “middle” powers.
Dauphin – France
Super Puma – France
Sigmas – Netherlands
Skytruck – Poland
UAV – Israel.
it probably means they will still rely on Russia as their primary ally and they are expanding to non-Russian with less “controversial” western aircraft.
things that show that they take their defense seriously but not wanting to scream to China “hey we’re allying with your main nemeses”.
so how many Mirage 2000s are there from the French to sell?
Y-20 in dark blue paint
um no. that’s not dark blue.
its the same paint as always.