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  • in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2277398
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    the middle connectors seem to imply there’s potential for six missiles. currently chinese missiles are large like Russian ones
    f-22 could do six
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iZTY-sPQ0HQ/TmtEmIPWUSI/AAAAAAAAEHQ/tWpTZsTYUt0/s1600/Has+F-22+04+bay.jpg
    http://steeljawscribe.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/weapons-bay.jpg

    or conversely it can only do four, and the unused middle pylon is for instances for one single large weapon per bay.

    in reply to: Vietnamese Air Force #2277401
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    maybe Vietnam really is open to western stuff.
    some July reports state interest in
    US P-3C
    Europe C-295
    Japan P-X
    http://baodatviet.vn/hinh-anh/201307/quoc-te-binh-luan-cac-ung-vien-san-ngam-viet-nam-2349744/?p=1
    http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-next-vietnam-submarine-hunter-c295.html

    others say they already chose the P-3C and others say they are not satisfied with the P-3C and prefer the Japanese one..

    in reply to: Vietnamese Air Force #2277655
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    Except that SH Mirage-2000 would probably be more expensive than new built MiG-35, besides how many SH Mirage-2000 are available? There are 5 regiments of MiG-21/Su-22, even if they want to re-equip only 3, are there 108 Mirages available? (or even 72, if VPAF regiments have two squadrons, i’m not sure here). Rafale is even more expensive. ( and again, i’m not sure how dependable the french are right now, it’s not gaullist France anymore unfortunately)

    it probably does not need to be replaced on a 1 to 1 basis.
    most air forces are not doing that.

    Vietnam’s priority is also long range stand off capabilities, so getting more Flankers is sensible. mirage 2000 has significantly lower operating costs than flanker or mig-35 and dont you forget that.
    however its quite possible that they could just use Flanker variants and yak-130s.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2277660
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    Looks like 4 PL-12 in the main bays and 2 PL-10 in the side bays. Makes sense given J-20 and F-22 are similar in size.

    j-20 and f-22 are not similar in size, j-20 has a larger bay than f-22

    in reply to: Vietnamese Air Force #2277669
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    Slightly off topic , but how about air defence? I know they have S-300PMU, and i think their Pechoras have been upgraded by Tetraedr to the 2TM standard , as of now though my info only comes from wiki, which seems to suggest both S-75s and Kubs have been upgraded too. Also, it seems Strela-10 and MANPADS are produced in-country? Any more and better info? Are there more plans for modern air defence systems aquisition?

    As for the air force, the MiG-21 and Su-22 are prime candidates to be replaced soon, unfortunately a chinese option is not politically feasible ( JF-17 would be great, and/ or J-10 etc.) That leaves the option of MiG-35, ideal in my opinion, as it’s not dependent politically on US as the Gripen and KAI T-50 are, or if not the MiG, then more Su-30MK2 and Su-35. Obviously used F-16s are the worse possible choices (expensive, worn out, politically insecure), and apart from that, i would strongly recommend against going in bed with the snake that tried to kill you… All the US wants is to use Vietnam as a proxy against China.

    Vietnam should perhaps be like Algeria and follow a mixed French and Russian option. ex Mirage 2000s would be a politically feasible choice for a light fighter.
    or upgrade the MiG-21s to a modern standard, either with Russian parts like Bison, or Israeli. Vietnam is closer to Israel now too. their T-55 tanks are upgraded by Israel.
    MiG-35 is not a light fighter.

    in reply to: QEC Construction #1999435
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    I’m sure the Russians are looking at it and are like
    damn, why did we go for a French LHD when we could’ve went all the way for a French designed carrier.

    indeed, as I suspected.. the Russians were indeed jelly and want a QEC of their own 😉
    http://flotprom.ru/upload/news/images/IMG_8580.JPG

    you would figure they would learn from the British mistake, and go for catapults instead.

    and to scooter, see naval Pak-Fa

    in reply to: Vietnamese Air Force #2277906
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    I’ve heard similar rumours – 3 regiments (72 aircraft) of Su-30’s planned.

    Definitely a contender for Su-35 and even Pak Fa (even if acquired via Sukhoi/HAL FGFA so as to not peeve PRC too much).

    while Vietnam is operating similar Flankers as China,
    maybe it would be better they avoid operating the same type and strive for a better variant.
    they should’ve went for the MKI variant instead of the MKK one.

    since China is getting Su-35s, Vietnam should avoid that type and go Pak-Fa instead.
    it would be good if Vietnam, India, and Malaysia, work towards a common aircraft to share parts and support among each other.

    what should Vietnam do with its large Mig-21 fleet?
    replace it with more flankers? tejas? perhaps even ex AdlA mirage 2000s? upgrade to bison standard?

    should also consider more Hokums given its terrain and in the long term work towards a Mistral variant like Russia did with Sea Hokums and ASW assets

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2277908
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    My bet goes on 4 missiles, as well.

    four per bay or four total?
    6 using a pyramid stack seems possible.

    in reply to: Amazing Weapons Loads – Yak-38 Forger #2277912
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    Not sure about the AMRAAM equipped FA.2

    it would probably be more fair to compare the AMRAAM FA.2 with a hypothetical Yak-141 using the Mig-29M’s suit (the M from the late 1980s) with the Zhuk

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    Russia subsidizes gas for a whole lot of ex-USSR countries.

    It ain’t abandoning Armenia for Azerbaijan, end of story. Far too useful of a relationship in terms of maintaining influence in the area.
    If anything we will see Russian forces in the area receive new weapons, Iskander for example.
    Armenians with any sense know Azerbaijan would just buy weapons from elsewhere; the close defense pact with Russia makes it irrelevant anyways.
    War in Ngrono-Karbakh= Armenia joins in. Armenia joins in, Russian forces are obligated to assist them, not to mention they patrol Armenian Air Space. Aliyev comes off as a hot-head, but unless he is stupid, he realizes Russia will not just stand by.

    but you’re avoiding the point. what exactly does Russia benefit from Armenia?
    base near Iran? you can do that with Azerbaijan
    base near Turkey? you can also do that with Azerbaijan
    bases in the southern Caspian? you can’t do that with Armenia
    weapon sales? Azerbaijan pays for Russian weapons. Russia pays for Armenian weapons
    Oil? Armenia has very little oil
    worried about US influence? well thats why you put a base in Azerbaijan first!

    in reply to: Algerian Air Force-pictures and discussion #2278248
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    I saw that coming, actually. Algeria has always placed surprisingly strong emphasis on aerial refueling capability for a force of its size, and with them being increasingly open to European suppliers as well as Russia not developing anything competitive to replace the Il-78 the writing was on the wall.

    seems like for every combat related aircraft, they buy Russian. Everything else European

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    What welfare state? Russia doesn’t spend very much to support Armenia, this isn’t some multi billion dollar money sink. They help support the 102nd base in any case.
    Russia isn’t moving out of Armenia, you can stop theorizing past that.

    it is indeed a welfare state
    Russia is going to subsidize gas costs to Armenia
    http://arka.am/en/news/economy/armenian_and_russian_prime_ministers_agree_on_subsidizing_rise_of_price_of_natural_gas_for_armenia/

    Russia subsidizes food for Armenia
    http://www.rferl.org/content/Russia_Provides_Food_Aid_To_Armenia/2168151.html

    Russia gives Armenia weapons nearly for free
    http://armenianow.com/karabakh/47411/armenia_karabakh_azerbaijan_russia_arms_supply

    Also Armenian opinion of Russia is now souring. Karapetyan is accusing Russia of sponsoring a new genocide
    http://military.einnews.com/article/157030334

    Y-20 Bacon
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    Ali Hasanov, Azerbaijan’s deputy prime minister said in March: “President Ilham Aliyev has always promised a military solution to the [Nagorno-Karabakh] conflict and he still has the issue on the agenda. The option of a military solution is always on the table, but the most important thing is how this kind of operation will be carried out. We need to become much stronger so that if we become involved in combat in Nagorno-Karabakh we can stand up to Russian troops, because that is who we will have to face.

    The question is, will the Russians want to defend Nagorno-Karabakh. its a situation between Armenia and Azerbaijan, not between Armenia-Russia and Azerbaijan. This is not like Georgia where Ossetians were also given Russian citizenship.
    Azerbaijan also doesn’t have a negative relationship with Russia, unlike Georgia. But both Russia and Azerbaijan can take it to the next level because Azerbaijan is a partner that gives better benefits for Russian than Armenia, which is a welfare state.

    Y-20 Bacon
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    Russian stance is to avoid conflict not to instigate it so not gonna happen.

    Aliyev knows that trying to emulate Saakashvili is the fastest way to lose his position and Georgia is trying it’s best to restore relations with Russia. Erdogan is going downhill and economic ties with Russia are more important for Turkey than supporting another sectarian conflict in the neighborhood, and looking for support somewhere else, like in Israel, is going o render the same results.

    your entire post is moot because Azeris have no interest in fighting with Russia or emulating Saakashvili. they just want nagorno karabakh back.

    Y-20 Bacon
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    Wilhelm, ee has a point, the argentinians have been neglecting any meaningful factoring of the falklands for a long time. Jist look at their present state. Why? Budget? Economy? Domestic politics? Try to look benign internationally? I think all of those can be considered for argumentation.

    Ignore y20 Bacon, the parody on board. 😀

    the sad part is that PLA-MKII is actually serious with most of his posts 😮

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