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July 3, 2013 at 9:48 pm in reply to: how would you re-build the Azerbaijani military aviation? #2235780

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Who is claiming what exactly? And its not difficult to distinguish between a rumour and a fact.

JF-17 was a fabrication of some Pakistani-Chinese source, and the only thing was there was that Azerbaijan was “supposedly” interested, alongside many other countries. How exactly did Azerbaijan end up buying them, I don’t know, but it seems to have confused many people.

T-84 was likewise along the lines of “interested”. T-129 is nothing beyond “interest” so far. There were news on Ka-52 negotiations which can be regarded as rumour, but there is also a recent statement which you can read above, so its probably true, but like said nothing is claimed about a purchase, only negotiations so far.

As for T-90, see the post #10.

very nice tanks.
and yes, pakistani sources tend to exaggerate interests. I cant see any reason why azerbaijan would want jf-17s when they can get better.
as for regaining nagorno-karabakh. the key issue is to convince Russia to drop the armenian side and switch over to azerbaijan.
as it stands, russia benefits very little from Armenia, and in fact costs them money to take care of a welfare state.
to make it worth while, azerbaijan will probably have to allow russians to move their armenian bases to azerbaijan in exchange.

July 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2235782

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Big as in roughly the same size as the one on F-22, right? It just doesn’t look deep enough to hold, say, an anti-ship missile in it. I half suspect the bays on PAK FA are actually bigger but that’s just my guesstimate.

i think its a big bay.
look at this model photo. (ignore the contents).
the main bay is much longer than the side bays.
on the f-22, the side bay and main bay are roughly similar in length

July 3, 2013 at 8:39 pm in reply to: How would you re-build the Argentinian military aviation? #2235872

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Funny, put the blame out regarding not answering questions, oddly enough neither of you answered mine a few weeks ago, I’m still waiting. Yep Wilhelm, quite a few of your posts got deleted by Frank as did some of Y-20 Bacon’s, and they weren’t ones that answered anything what I asked.

speak for yourself, all my posts are still here

funny you refuse to talk to trolls..

July 3, 2013 at 8:01 pm in reply to: How would you re-build the Argentinian military aviation? #2235892

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Good grief.

No posts have been deleted, by the way. They are there for any poster to see.

Of course you posts have points to them.

They perfectly illustrate why somebody with a username like yours should not be interacted with.
It has always been a point of mine to treat people with such names with extreme caution.

This is why, even though it has flown completely over your head obviously, the more established posters treat Y-20 Bacon lightly.
Here’s the news:

He is a parody.
An intentional one.
One that you argue against.:highly_amused:

His various usernames over the years should reflect that, as well as some of his threads.
He’s actually making fun of posters with usernames like yours, as they’ve proven in the past to be somewhat blinkered, to put it mildly. Fanboys.
It’s always worth a chuckle.

Why not simply make posts that stick to the subject, without resorting to snide remarks as shown above, and getting entangled with multiple posters in arguments?

You still haven’t answered the question by the way.

Why on earth do you think the professional officers in the Argentinian Air Force would ignore a potential flashpoint?
What would make them uniquely different from any airforce on the planet, and neglect it?
Public relations doesn’t cut it as an answer.

But perhaps you actually do agree, as you’ve posted before in the quotes above, but seeing as you’ve flip-flopped once to a different position, can’t be seen to change your mind again?
Is that it?;)

as I said, PLA-MKII, EELightning, Devils Advocate, etc. same same, just replace country.
he’s doing his very best to derail this thread and resort to personal attacks when proven wrong at every step.

July 3, 2013 at 12:42 am in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2236569

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Reportedly the first serial Hongdu JL-10 – formerly L-15 – for the PLAAF performed its maiden flight at Nanchang today. Quite interesting it followed closely the first flight of the first aircraft for an export customer – said to be Zambia – on 29. June.

http://www.cjdby.net/junbeidongtai/2013-07-01/military-4448.html

Deino

very nice, i can see the jl-10 killing export success of any jf-17 two seaters.
i wish prosperity to the chinese yak.

July 3, 2013 at 12:41 am in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2236572

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And there was a missile in it !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVUX_hfEouQ&feature=youtu.be

Deino

what a big bay.
a bit surprising they chose to have the doors open that way instead of this way

July 1, 2013 at 11:59 pm in reply to: How would you re-build the Argentinian military aviation? #2237673

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Truth is there’s a lot of chatter at these sort of ministerial meetings.

Most eventuate to nothing.

If every rumour or statement was taken as gospel we’d have Pakistani A-7s, RAAF F-15s etc etc.

In this case, J-20 is a long way from entering service in PLAAF, let alone being released for export (and that assumes it will be released for export).

By the time Argentina could be given access to China, the situation may have changed with Kirchener replaced with a more pro-Western government.

indeed, the truth is that lots of air forces express interest or desire for something. not all of it becomes reality.
Argentina has an interest in J-20.. still too far off to see if they will or can get it.
however our friend PLA-UK is already offended at just the thought of Argentina thinking of it 😮
deep down fear of J-20s ripping apart Typhoons i reckon.

July 1, 2013 at 11:46 pm in reply to: How would you re-build the Argentinian military aviation? #2237676

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I simply asked, it’s your problem if you thought the request was “rude”, you should be used to it anyway.
I remember when you couldn’t do a simple bit of research which was widely known about Tranche 1 units of a particular aircraft, it took several members a couple of pages to even explain the basics to you…
“Nationalistic Tabloid” was brought up in that very source. As I said, those reports are a year old, it’s just rather odd how other, proper defence analysts, haven’t reported anything regarding Argentina showing interest in the J-20, isn’t it not?
Insecurity? Priceless, who did you claim was a threat again…

you need to stop making up imaginary stories of the past lol. find a link to it if you dare.
and yes you are the most insecure as you troll the Rafale thread, Argentine thread, or any other thread that relates to the UK. you are in other words, the UK version of PLA-MKII.

and defense minister not enough? would you like a chinese source about argentina and J-20? they also exist
http://mil.sohu.com/20120706/n347448376.shtml

but I guess because you like to change goal posts, nothing is acceptable unless its on the BBC right?

July 1, 2013 at 11:39 pm in reply to: J-17 vs F-18 #2237677

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certainly many more F-18s will be built than the jf-17 ever.

July 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm in reply to: Two JF-17 vs One Su-30MKI #2237899

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When I read the OP, I thought “oh, a curry flavoured quantity vs qualtity argument”. Now I read about totally unrelated, non aviation topics. What a surprise !

lol, you got it! I even put (two to one ratio) too.
but too many fanboys took it too literally.

“but real warfare is not between two versus one aircraft”

duh

July 1, 2013 at 9:01 pm in reply to: Two JF-17 vs One Su-30MKI #2237902

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Well, even on this point, it seems you’ve got it wrong. The PAF is supposed to get anything between 150-250 JF-17s, while the IAF is expected to induct close to 300 Su-30MKI, so the JF-17 was never meant to outnumber the Su-30MKI by 2 to 1, if anything, it’s the other way round, 2 Su-30MI for 1 JF-17! lol

ABC, we said the same thing, just check out the first post.
but we have to throw the Pakistanis a bone and assume they can somehow acquire enough jf-17s to gain a quantitative advantage over a qualitative one

July 1, 2013 at 8:59 pm in reply to: how would you re-build the Azerbaijani military aviation? #2237903

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Not aviation related but Russia started the delivery of a large package constisting of land systems to Azerbaijan, worth about $1 billion.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/13199631/v_baku_idet_smerch

There are options on all military equipment bought, including an option for 94 more T-90. Earlier reports talked of 200 T-90, so probably around that number is considered.

Also from the article:

So I think the prospects of purchasing new fighters from Russia is there. Also Azerbaijan seems to be seriously interested in YAK-130, pilots of the airforce made flights with it last year.

News on Azerbaijan acquisitions are so damn varied.
they are claiming jf-17s (never materialized, just excited stories from pakistan and china)
as well as t-84s from ukraine, t-129s from turkey, and now t-90s and hokums from russia.
which is legit.

July 1, 2013 at 8:57 pm in reply to: how would you re-build the Azerbaijani military aviation? #2237909

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With Russia protecting Armenia though, through security guarantee, it will never happen.

I think, if we look at the situation objectively, the sooner Azerbaijan shifts that goal, the better for the country.

it would probably be more beneficial for Russia to side with Azerbaijan… after all they have oil and much more able to buy more Russian wares than Armenia which is a welfare state.

does russia want its own israel or a saudi arabia?

June 29, 2013 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Feasibility of a no fly zone over Syria? #2239145

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Yes Russia would. Syria to Russia is Israel to America.

no. There are very little Syrians in Russia that influence its politics unlike Israel and the US.
Russia wants cash, that simple.

June 29, 2013 at 8:35 pm in reply to: How would you re-build the Argentinian military aviation? #2239148

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Still, I know a hell of a lot more than you ever will. Speak for yourself about being lazy.

lol I never seen anyone so bitter after having their request for links (which was asked for quite rudely btw) granted

How reliable are those sources? I know which ones to look out for which are 9/10 reliable and have particular contacts, I’m not saying those aren’t reliable, (well, “Want China Times” is even being described as a “nationalistic tabloid”… *Sigh*), but they don’t spring to mind when one needs references. Besides, those links date back to, as much as it makes no difference, a year a go. Hardly up to date and funny how proper defence sources haven’t reported anything.

lol again your laziness triumphs.
want china times is requoting Xinhua’s report. Xinhua is a major news agency if you were not familiar. also not sure where your nationalistic tabloid claims come in.
does the thought of argentina one day acquiring j-20s or jf-17s really threaten you that much that you lash out in insecurity?
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