Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China’s FC-1 fighter
Richard D Fisher Jr, Paris – IHS Jane’s Defence Industry
23 June 2013
Officials from Argentine aerospace company Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) told IHS Jane’s at the 2013 Paris Air Show they have had multiple discussions with Chinese officials over potential co-production of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 multirole combat aircraft.
Discussions are far from concluded, with FAdeA officials saying “technology transfer” issues remain a sticking point. Nonetheless, the discussions are the first formal effort that could lead to the co-production of a modern Chinese fighter in Latin America. FAdeA officials said the co-produced FC-1 could be called the ‘Pulqui-III’, recalling FAdeA’s Pulqui-II, Latin America’s first swept wing jet fighter, which was designed by Germany’s Kurt Tank for the government of Juan Peron.
it would be interesting if the deal did go through, but likely mirage f-1 will be their next temporary fighter until they can find an appropriate long term one and perhaps the f-1 can tide them over until they get what they really want… j-20.
Fully agreed. Yak-141 got much attention due to being the first supersonic VTOL aircraft. That automatically lead to assumptions that it must be way better than anything else. Hardly true.
But I think it would have given the FA2 or the APG-65 equipped AV-8B+ a hard time in A-A. For A-G it would most likely have been somewhat inferior, especially in terms of carrying capability.
But I am glad that Soviets never resorted to simple copying of the successful Harrier design and really did the effort in pursuing their own idea of a VTOL aircraft.
Yak-141 with the R-77 and Sapfir would’ve destroyed any Harrier at that time, even with a crippled Soviet economy compared to a more robust British one.
I would think 120 JF-17, 110 J-10 and some K-8 trainers. Should be enough to invade Spain.
why should they invade spain and inherit all that awful debt and economy
Syria will be lucky to have any airplanes after the collapse of its economy from a protracted war.
and Russia likes hard cash for its wares.. or bacon. but Syria has neither.
Politicians and the top brass nearly start, or do start, wars. The aircraft are mere tools.
and these same people are also the reasons behind aircraft delays, rising costs, changing goal posts, and what not. you cannot have controversy with out politics so your point is moot.
JF-17 is the most controversial plane after the F-35 in modern times. Some would have it as a MiG-21 derivative. Aboulafia is on record saying an F-16 can should it down in 5 seconds (yes, down to the seconds).
Others claim it is the MiG-33 really.
Yet others claim (such as our former comrade here SOC) that it was a poor purchase and Pakistan would have been better off going with the J-10.
Earlier on, it was a case discussed hotly that “this is why you shouldn’t sell Pakistan F-16s” as the JF-17 looked like a copy.
More recently there is the whole discussion that China will not buy this plane and Bacon claims it will be a major flop in the international market.
lol, so JF-17 is the most controversial based on the reaction of forumers?
If we were to use that standard than the F-35 beats the JF-17 by miles, followed by the typhoon and rafale. threads upon threads of people arguing over it.
real life political and military controversy?
certainly a number of planes such as those listed by other posters here: F-104, F-111, Typhoon, etc.. any of these are more controversial than a one-air force plane bought in small quantities
In light of the assumption on these boards that every man and his dog needs a massive fleet of fighter aircraft to deter their neigbours, let me tell you about the plight of Andorra, sandwiched between evil French and Spanish super powers.
Andorra’s evil rulers have deprived it’s citizens of protection from France and Spain by not having an air force at all.
Given population of 80,000 and total area of 467.63 km2, I think the best solution would be to draft the entire population into the airforce and convert the whole country to a gigantic air base.
To maintain sovereignty and not become a US puppet state I recommend following air force fleet:
300 Su-35
300 JF-17
50 Il-78
50 Ka-52
50 Mi-28
12 A-50 AWACS.
200 T-50.Obviously multi-level hangars would need to brought to accommodate such an air fleet but in aviation land, money is infintite.
This would probably be adequate to deter France and Spain.
PLA-MK2 says “y no 600 jf-17 instead? cheaper”
very interesting. Those F-5s must need replacement.
let me guess.. replace them with jf-17
Lockheed U-2.
not only does it participates in wars, it nearly starts them too
2, 5 operational aircraft are hard to justify except for that one occasion where an aerial threat does avail itself. One or two MiG-21’s can intercept and divert a hijacked airliner or other aerial threat. Serbia is not going to win an air battle against any credible threat, but they maintain the fast-jet capability. Once that is lost it is even more expensive to get back. …and the MiG-29 is the wrong type of jet for Serbia.
not to mention that Serbia couldn’t afford to apparently fix ejection seat problems, tire problems, and what not..
but pointing these things out would be too inconvenient for some of the biased boys here like Haarvala who will call you anti mig-29 😮
Both countries suffered cuts during the ’80s and even more so come the collapse of the Soviet Union, yet still, the Harrier soldiered on, the Yak-41 got canned. Irrelevant?… Hardly.
lol, so the UK also lost 76% of its territory, half its population, half its gdp, and a good chunk of its defense industry?
okay…
I did read it and PhantomII has very valid points. The way I see it, they’re not his opinion, they’re actually factual just as mine are and they’re both totally different to yours. Funny how you failed to counter my posts.
By the way, just for record, the Harrier II is a totally different beast to the original design of the Harrier.
Just because I’m British doesn’t mean I’m a Pro-UK biased source. Got a problem with that, then that’s your issue.
calm down paul weston. if you feel phantoms points are valid then all your points are already invalid.
phantom clearly mentions the skills of yakovlev and the superiority of their latest vstol aircraft over the british who decided to go for imcremental improvements than a new design. the only thing that held yakovlev from blasting the brits out of the water were the economy..something which you feel is irrelevant lol.
J-20 2002 reportedly flew again today …. including these high-res. images:
http://bbs.chinaiiss.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4084630&extra=page%3D1
Please note the PL-10 in the side-bay !
Deino
wow just look hwo much longer the bottom bay is in comparison with the side bay.
what large missiles do they plan to fit in there.
Russia – Though behind Britain in the V/STOL & VTOL arena, the Soviets were able to come up with a variety of interesting designs showing that they too had the capability to produce aircraft in this category. The Yak-38, while not a superb performer, was a decent first start (operationally that is), and while it had a variety of well-known limitations, it was different enough from the Harrier to prove that Russia wasn’t just making a copy of the Harrier, but their own design that could’ve potentially been effective at what it was designed to do (intercept NATO MPA’s). I don’t mean to say the Yak-38 was outstanding by any stretch, but it was not a bad first attempt for the Russians, though perhaps not so much as the Harrier was for the Brits. The Yak-41 was certainly, until the advent of the F-35B, the pinnacle of fighter-type V/STOL aircraft. An immensely powerful engine, avionics and weapons on par with the early MiG-29 variants, and performance that far out-stripped the Harrier (not to mention being competitive with other conventional naval designs) meant that had it not been for the economic downturn in Russia, the Yak-41 could’ve been a viable naval fighter probably even today, and the fact that some of its technology is being used in the Lightning II is telling if you ask me.
EElightning, you should read this. an opinion from a non pro-UK bias source
Oh and for the record even if the thread was created as a mockery of me (I’ll never understand Y-20 Bacon), I still approve as I like the unique look of the Forger.
do you think I would make a mockery of you?
actually thread is a good excuse to have posters find pictures of loaded yak-38.
you can be amazed what people find that google cant