The fact of the matter is that a technical deficiency was raised, based on fundamental physics, and no counter of the same level was yet made. It can’t be helped that those who tried to defend ERIEYE have inadequate scientific background, so had to provide media reports as their basis.
And did anyone raise a claim in the lines of “my dad’s cousin…”? I don’t think so. No one is interested in that. The physics of antenna theory is clear enough, if you can understand it.
Planar phased array can be fixed, passively or actively phased. the fixed phasing will have a fixed beam with respect to the array. the active/passive phasing can vary the beam angle. Nevertheless, ALL are planar phased arrays only.
Why the word PLANAR? That means all the radiating elements are on the same plane. We are discussing just one type of antena, that is used on the ERIEYE. It is a Actively phased planar array of slotted antenna elements. I might have used just planar array in the conversation for typing convenience.
The Wedgetail MESA has 3 separate arrays: two mounted back-to-back that scan laterally (that’s the vertical part of the “hat”), and one that scans in frontal and rear quartes (the horizontal part of the “hat”). Maybe the Eyerye has the same arrangement.
Look at the photos. There is no space!
WisePanda. The wavelength is in fact 10 cm (centimetres).
Wavelengths and dimensions are NOT a problem. The use of the slot antenna is.
the indians are right and everyone else is wrong. they have “secret evidence” that no one else has including the maker of erieye that it does not have 360 detection . the evidence so sensitive they can’t provide it because it will compromise their national security. the only evidence they can put forward is 16 years old, which came out before the erieye was operational.
The evidence for something that is NOT POSSIBLE will always be circumstantial. In the present case, the argument, based on established technical information, is that a planar phased array antenna can not have a beam deflection close to 90 degrees.
You can very easily disprove it by providing a scientific source (not a media report or brochure) that says how that is achieved. I have done a lot of research on this, and did not find ANY scientific information at all.
If you have any research/technical paper, lecture, patent, or any similar document that shows HOW, I would be glad to withdraw my assertion.
Unless refuted by presenting technical information, we will have to think that way. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a lame explanation, not unlike the “yaw the plane” solution.
BTW, does anyone have a copy of the original Ericsson Brochure?
It is not a phased array problem per se. It is the characteristics of the individual transmitting element. If you have an array of omnidirectional emitters, it is possible to create a beam in ANY angle by phasing. But the problem is, there are NO OMNIDIRECTIONAL emitters in real life. It is as real as the single pole magnet. (The so called omni antennas are omni in ONE AXIS only.
Obviously, you CAN NOT have an omnidirectional emitter from a slot antenna. The emission in the direction perpendicular to the plane of the slot is always zero. Look up the radiation patterns for slot antennas. The beam formation (phased addition/subtraction of energy) happen on top of the radiation pattern of the individual elements.
Ericsson is careful NOT to claim any angle in their documents. The ER article mentions 360 at one place and then shows a diagram that is clearly not. I was expecting someone to come up with additional technical info, rather than accusations. I would be very eager to know HOW they did it IF they did it.
But all indications till now is that it is just a claim. Probably they thought no one will question.
There is an IEEE paper about ERIEYE antenna published in May, 2000, around the time the Greek Erieyes were being made. There is NO MENTION about ANY REMARKABLE technology in that document either. If Ericsson had done the wonder, wouldn’t they mention it in that paper?
Look, Bravo, electromagnetic waves do not distinguish between nations or ethnicities. So why do you want to bring that to this? This is about technology, pure and simple.
The difference between the sources is, one is the technical publication of the manufacturer, and the other written by a journalist. You need to understand the physics of electromagnetic radiation to realize that a planar antenna CAN NOT radiate close to parrallel to the plane. Anyone who took a course on antenna theory would realize that. You don’t have to be radar experts.
If Ericsson has achieved the impossible, ie getting 180 degree coverage from a planar array, I wonder why NO PAPER or PATENT is available on the technology. Nothing in Ericsson review, nothing in IEEE and nothing patented. And nothing in THEIR brochure!
And to think that even trivial things related to Erieye appear in all the above.
Strange isn’t it? :rolleyes:
So lets make yoru intentions quite clear. PAF is getting Erieye and so it must be crap
Don’t put intentions into my mind or words into my mouth. Yes, the information originated from BR. The only reason why I brought that to this forum is to get the point across to audience beyond BR, and who would be interested on the subject.
People have a right to know the reality, PAF fans included. Or do you want to trust your AF and its suppliers unconditionally?
Let me repeat. It is a physical impossibility to radiate at 0/180 angle from the shown antenna array. Claims otherwise will be just that, claims.
The links that says 360 degrees is the exact reason why I started the thread. The articles at AFTech or wiki are not written by people who understand the technology. Someone saw 360 degrees somewhere and it got copied all around, that is all.
Does the fact that my handle and avatar means I am Indian make my intentions to be automatically malign Pakistan or the products it buys? Why do you want to take this as a honor&dignity issue? Can’t we treat this for what it is, ie a technical issue?
The plane normally flies in a racecource path, and there lies the significance of the 180 degree turn capability.