Fake or not I’m not sure, but it certainly looks OK to me, I like it.
Looks like it means business.
Your question:β What right has the US got… “
My answer: βthe right of the might…”
They (the US) “have” every right to do whatever the hell they want anywhere they want, because they can, and there’s no one to stop them or “convince” them otherwise.
Just in response to the idea of getting rid of the su-25:
Macedonia is a very small country and although I personally like the su-25 and I believe that it maybe suitable for Macedonian conditions etc. I still believe that good gunship/attack helicopters maybe better option?!
As far as future jet aircraft maybe concerned, I don’t think they need any for A2G role, and for A2A it is different story, the SU-25 is not suitable anyway, perhaps the yanks may “donate” or sell cheap second hand F-16’s for A2A.
And for A2G – helicopters.
awesome pics, mate thanks.
as far as two seaters are concerned, I love the eurofighter – 2-seater.
I think certain planes look cool as two seaters, few come to mind right now:
rafale
typhoon
jas-39
mirage 2000
f-14 tomcat
su-30
mig-29
f-18f superhornet
etc…
keep going guys I love the arguments from both sides:)
it looks like a very good thread, I’ll give it 5 star rating.
regards all.
thanks for all the photos guys, I just love mig-21, all time favorite:)
ok, wasn’t going to reply to the above no more, but just for the last time:
since the Yugoslavia was “invented” and kosovo belonged to someone else few hundred years ago that means it is ok for the kosovars to ilegaly arm and to take it by force?
So by the same logic, America has been “invented” something like (not sure) 300+ years ago which resulted of thousands of indians being slotered, and Australia was “inventend “only” 200+ years ago which of course again resulted in hundreds of thousands of aboriginies being slotered etc. so it is ok now say for indians or aboriginies or whoever else to arm and try and take it, after all it was never realy Australia and America, they are fictious countrys created only few hundred years ago?
I’m wondering what will happen if someone attempts to do such a thing?
The Yanks went and bombed the **** out of countries that “might” be a threat to them, or may have weapons of mass destruction or may “possibly” have connections to terrorists:)
I wonder what would happen if someone attempts something on their own soil, by someone?
OOOOps sorry I forgot it is not their soil , they have been there for only few hundreds years, so it is ok for the original owners to take it back now:)
I’m just comparing logics, here.
lovemigs out!
love all.
Therefore I would rather invest in something as the Yak-130 or some Alpha Jets. Just to keep the expertise and do some airpolicing.
And some helicopters would be nice for SAR. I don’t see a problem in getting some donatet by Italy, France or Germany. (Not shiny new but at least for free)
well, it sounds like a good idea to have training/light attack type aircraft in service, in good condition, rather than expensive modern type fighter jets in poor/bad condition.
I personaly like both the yak-130 and alphajet, although I believe that even the supergaleb g-4 that they have it is quite ok, after all it is very similar to the BAE Hawk, which is superb training aircraft by any standards, even here in Australia there’s a version of the British Hawk in service (mk127?).
As far as helicopters are concerned, there’s plenty of options.
Perhaps the smartest way to go as far as Serbia is concerned is to join NATO instead of thinking of fighting it??!
At least that way they’ll most likely get some offers for help regarding used aircraft for next to nothing or donated:)
it is not necessary, to explain it to me, but thanks anyway.
you are entitled to your opinion, so am I, so I’ll leave it at that.
just one thing, I don’t think I said all albanians are terrorists, just the extremists who ilegaly armed themselves in someone elses country, to my knowledge kosovo always have been part of Yugoslavia. Just because you are the majority population it doesn’t give anyone the right to take it.
I live in Melbourne in the northern suburbs where there’s hardly any Australian people, but majority is greeks, italians and macedonians, it doesn’t mean that it is ok for them to get armed and want to take it, after all it never belonged to Australia, Australia took (invaded) it only a couple of hundred years ago.:)
in any case no need to get personal and name calling (lost case), I don’t recall being personal or name calling anyone, after all it is just a discussion, nothing more.
best regards to all.
I think this topic belongs elsewhere, not in aviation forum, so I think we better move on.
I do apologise to everyone for my part of being of topic, I’ll visit different thread to talk what I love – planes:)
“LOL…Yes becasue…THIS…is the same type of extremist from 9/11…You people really are something else. Just out of curiosity…how old were you in 1999 lovemigs??”
old enough, thanks.
I said same type, not the same ones, the same type of extremists who think it is ok to arm themselves in someone elses country and and attak them on their own soil.
Just because the terrorists you reffering to loved USA then, it doesn’t mean US loves them-now.
for example:
Bin Laden and taliban and mujaheeden fighters and US loved each other few years ago, (when fighting russians), they don’t seem to be that much in love these days:)
One thing we all should remember, even though US-NATO bombed the **** out of serbia, there has never ever been one US citizen killed or bombed or executed by a Serb. Neither any threats being made or anything.
On the other hand, all the terrorists attacks are coming from muslim extremists/terrorists.
numero uno: f35
numero duo: harrier – all versions
3. tornado
Hey! I also claim responsibility for that last SuE π
A fun day it was – especially tomorrow, when my sunburn is gone.
Sunburn???????!
it is bloody freezing down here – Melbourne Australia.
π
well, my choice:
mi-8
huey uh-1
lynx
mi-24
seaking
seahawk-don’t ask
nh-90 eurocopter
however if we are talking killing machines, then:
ah-64d apache longbow
tigre – eurocopter
mi-24
a-129
cobra
well if Serbia goes into war with the KLA/terrorists over kosovo, maybe it wont be in a war with the rest of the world, just maybe.
The NATO countries bombed the **** out of Serbia before the 9/11 and London bombings, maybe, just maybe this time they’ll think twice before helping the same type of muslim extrimists/terrorists that killed so many of their own people on their own ground.
Maybe, it is about time to apologise to the Serbs and as a way of “good will” donate some used F-16’s in good condition and some m1a1’s:) with a message: do what needs to be done, bro!
(yeah I know, keep dreaming:)
Geeez, that be nice, though!
I do simpatize with the Serbs, how would the NATO countries like the idea of, some other nationality in their country to take part of the country, because they feel they are the majority there and they have the right to do it?
Yes I know we are getting off topic here, this is aviation forum.
for the record, I’m neither Serb, neither member of NATO country.
awesome, thanks!
yes but the photos of coffins ?who was in them and when I compare the Gulf war and Allied Force something is abnormal 28 ( Iraqis poorly trained or at least not as well trained as the Yugoslavs ) and 2 by the Yugoslavs plus 30 or so drones
OK, I do not know anything about any coffins, but regarding your teory that YU army are better trained than the iraqis may be true or maybe not, but what you shouldn’t forget is that YU was much smaller army than iraq, also the soldiers are only serving I think 9-12 months of compulsory service, and I can assure they receive “stuff all” training, they maybe perfectly capable to defend against any of their neighbours, but not NATO.
As far the airforce is concerned, forget it, there were only a handfull of aircraft that were even remotely capable to fight the modern and well maintained NATO aircraft, and few of them got shot down, and they decided whatever aircraft they have left to be put to “storage”.
As far as the real loses, I can not comment one way or the other as I don’t know, however as far as damaged aircraft are concerned, I know (from people who seen it), that quite a few damaged ones landed in Skopje – Macedonia, some of my friends there seen few A-10’s.
Incidently, a lot of unexploded bombs, fuel tanks etc were found in the mountain in Macedonia near the border. Apparently few unmanned drones crashed there too, that’s all I know from local sources – friends or newspapers.
There’s a site on the internet that sugests that a lot of NATO planes were shot down like more than one f-117 and even a B-2, but I find it very hard to believe:)
it is possible that the losses are maybe higher, even if for example, the damaged aircraft were written off, but unfortunately there’s no evidence to sugest that. ( that I know of)
just my two cents.