BAE HAWK SERIES
G4 SUPER GALEB
L39/59 ALBATROS SERIES
MIG-AT
SU-28
Alpha jet

Partially right, partially wrong.

Su-27 has a first credited missile kill performed by a woman. Don’t know the name, but she was definitely Ethiopian, not Russian. The guy in the MiG-29UB was her former instructor. Ergo, ETAF Flankers must have been flown by Ethiopians, too.

hardly an achievement, she shot down an unarmed 2 seater training aircraft, according to ACIG, so mig-29 has shot down a civilian cessna, and the su-27 unarmed mig-29ub, so let’s call it square:)

sorry I couldn’t help it.:)

Only 24 hours later, a new – but highly interesting – engagement developed over the Badme area. This time, a lonesome Su-27S, flown by female pilot Capt. Aster Tolossa, was escorting several MiG-21s on a strike mission, when a single aircraft was detected, closing from the direction of Asmara. Capt. Tolossa turned to intercept and identified the target as an – apparently unarmed – Eritrean MiG-29UB. After some maneuvering, during which there was some kind of communications exchange between the crew of the MiG and the Sukhoi, the Ethiopian was high at enemy’s 6 o’clock, when she realized that the pilot of the aircraft in front of her was her former instructor. Capt. Tolossa immediately warned him that she was about to shot him down, and requested the Eritrean to land at Debre Zeit. He disobeyed, and Tolossa pulled the trigger. Exactly which weapon was used this time remains unknown, but it is highly likely that the Ethiopian used at least two air-to-air missiles, both of which were evaded, and then finished the target with 30mm gunfire. The Eritrean pilot was certainly experienced enough to evade two missiles, and he also knew who and where was the enemy. While it remains unknown if anybody ejected from that MiG-29UB, it is certain that Capt. Tolossa was given a hero’s wellcome back at her base; with right, then she was the first female fighter-pilot to show down an enemy fighter-jet in the history of air warfare.

1. X-32 JSF
2. the super transporter with the superfat fuselage
3. vulcan
4. gloster javelin
5. EE Lightning
6.canbera
7.yak-38 2seater
8.f-89scorpion
9. F9F Panther
10. Sea Harrier with the really long proboscis-like nose

“You do… Just refer to Royal Saudi Air Force, where large sums of money meet incompetency and lack of technical knowledge… Western analyst have evaluated that even equipped with superior hardware like M1A, F-15 or Tornado, Saudi Arabia alone would have lost a war against Iraq (prior to DS1, of course).. Saudis have lots of parts and still cannot manage to maintain their aircraft on their own.”

lol, well, I see what you mean, but I will not going to respond to that as I may get myself into trouble:)

the above reminds me of similar scenario, however diferent subject, the response I gave had everybody laughing for days, except the people in question who were less then impressed and called me names etc. don’t ask.

“Pardon me, but if it is combat record what really counts today then the best fighters are easily Messerschmitt Bf109 and Fw190A.”

well fair enough, it’s a decent argument, except for the fact that there’s not many of them “today” in active service as fighter aircraft.:)

“But then, no F-15C has ever shot down any Flanker to prove its superiority so what result are you talking about in the case of Su-27?”

again I agree, but… su-27 hasn’t shot any f-15c either, or hasn’t shot anything at all for that matter, I may be mistaken, but I don’t think it has been involved in any combat, so as much as I like the su-27 I can’t realy say that is better than f-15c, I just want it to be.

The F-15 might have shot mostly inferiour aircraft, but nonetheless always come out on top, their equipment and weapon systems has been proven reliable. They were probably much better maintained and flown by better pilots, but that’s another reason why is the best fighter aircraft of today. It is not just the airframe it is the whole system that makes it a winner.

I used the yugoslav mig-29s as a small example of what I meant regarding results and fact, to prove my point of me up to that date beleiving the fact that the mig-29 had no equal, I expected to see f-15s and f-16s falling out the sky like flies, they couldn’t even fire a shot, everything malfunctioned. I mean there’s a lot of other conflicts out there that f-15c scored victories, if you do little search, I believe the score is something like 100+ to 0. what else I can say?
I mean there will always be “ifs” and “buts”, but at the end of the day that’s what it comes to – result.

“That’s a bit of a warped opinion of what looks good in fighter jets because the Hornet is one of the best looking jets there is bar none.”

ha-ha-ha lol, that’s way I said: “ugly”, and not: ugly.
I meant: not as cool looking as mig29 or f-15:)
Although I do not find the f-18 very “cool” that didn’t stop me from buying about 8 plastic kits of f-18a/c/d and the superhornet f-18e/f, go figure???!
only mig-21 and 29 I have bought more – 10+ each.