How many of them have flown back and landed safely after a mid-air in which over 75% of one main wing was ripped off? (Israeli F-15)?

That one flew with most of the weight being supported by center-body lift.

Well, yes that was a trully amaizing! but this would be an amazing lucky exception rather than a “feature”. A lot of experts out there admitted it would have seem theoreticaly impossible to land the plane in that condition – I guess lucky that the plane and the pilot didn’t know all the theories out there so they just landed the plane:D

I mean the f-15 is probably one of the best and awesome and most successfull machines out there – no doubt, but speaking of aerodynamics efficiency etc, where you have planes specifically designed with body lifting etc, the SU-27/30 and the MIG-29 would get the most benefit of that “channel” between the engines that contribute to the lift with optimized lift/drag ratio.

Well on the western part you have the F-14 with similar feature to the SU-27 or the MIG-29, the Tomcat has the “channel” between the engines too:)

The F-15 has plenty of “flat body” lifting area, but it is not up to same aerodynamics efficiency as the above ones – it is more like the MIG-25 situation – same plenty of flat area but not a “channel” – which is sort off like a middle wing so to speak….

Well, of course it depends on type of product and/or service these comapanies will be offering and the quality of the same…..

other than that in the western world it all comes down to advertising and how do you present your product or service.

The fact that is Russian not necessarily means disadvantage infact you can turn it into great advantage, I could just about see it and hear it: ….and for the first time in this country dear ladies and gentlemen we proudly present you…blah blah blah (use your imagination) etc etc…top quality best price etc etc you see what I mean… it all comes down to presentation and successful marketing – being able to sell it…

just my humble opininon of course:cool:

Well Flex, even terrorists are just humans.
But I think you, as well as other people could stick to the topic. And that is Israel may attack Iran with nuclear weapons.
Even if I dislike the idea of Iran having nukes, the use of tactical nukes to destroy underground facilities really scares me.
I got no clue how serious the Israelis are about that, but I’d rather see a different solution to that crisis.

you are right about sticking to the topic, but as it seems to be a usual thing in here – one thing leads to another and before you know it the subject of the discussion always goes back to – well take a pick, war on terror or war in iraq or how many planes got shot over Yugoslavia…

I do apologise for my part above for being off topic.

I do agree with your thinking of not liking the idea of Iran having nukes but also not liking the idea of Israelies using tactical nukes to destroy their underground facilities.

I’m not getting into whether is right or wrong for Israel to bomb it, I guess if they going to do it they will do it anyway, regardless of what me or anyone else thinks, but I believe they could achieve their objective by using conventional hi-tech weapons.

I think If Israel decides it is in their interest to do it they will – without even blinking – that is what makes them strong and successful in every conflict, arrogance and determination + capability, perhaps that is the only thay can be if they are going to survive.

Just to clarify:

I’m just expressing my opinion as I see it – I couldn’t care less for either side, I’m not a simphathiser or enemy for that matter of either Israel or Iran, if a conflict happens, my interest would be strictly: what planes/weapons was used defensive measures etc how successful they were…

Really interesting video. Is there any possibility do download it somewhere. I’m a little bit Pissed off with all this you can only see them in the net videos.

Hi, most of the “interesting” videos including the one above (better quality) can be downloaded at:

http://www.aviapedia.com – hundreds of them – truckloads of the best russian stuff too:)

http://www.aviapedia.com/videos/fighters/Su-34/Su-32_vd.avi

shortcut for the video above – enjoy!

I just saw Flyboys….

I’m mostly into jet fighters and to some extent into WW2 fighter – planes, not much into WW1…

Having said that, I absolutely loved the “flyboys” – absolutely awesome, spectacular.

Hehehe, definately some funny business going on here:

looks exactly the same as the Trumpeter kit I’m just finishing – but painted mine gray.

the holes are where you locate and glue the wing pylons….

“Northrop Grumman Newport News is designing the CVN 21 class using a product model tool called CATIA, the most technologically advanced system in use today in the shipbuilding industry. “

the above may answer a question or two….

http://www.eng.fea.ru/FEA_news_266.html

Can we detect a little jealously in your remarks……………:p

probably….;)

nah it is all good, actualy for some unexplained reason, I slowly started to like the F-35, never used to……maybe the first test flight had something to do with it too…

I always wished the Australia would get the F-22 if it was ever offered, but one day – many years from now – when we finaly get the piglet I’m sure I’ll learn to like it:cool:

Ok I guess I’m getting off topic here, so to stay on it, my f-35:

Type:
CTOL (Landbased)

Engines:
P & W F-135

Wing
Larger Navalbased – reason appart from the cool factor, probably more maneuverable, and slower landing speeds….

Landing Gear
Navalbased

GUN
Internal Gun….must have a gun, feel safer with it

Refueling System
International Drogue Type

Weapons
ASRAAM, AMRAAM, ……….

Good Luck!
lots of it please