…..And I think our planes are going to be delivered in an Olive Green like those C-130H’s and not the Grey like the C-130J’s.

Still not long now till they arrive!

Hi, I’ve only seen one C-130H really close (as in really really close, even went inside) but it is not olive green, I mean it is but it has gray as well – it is camuflaged Olive green – gray, not just olive green.
And I was lucky enough to have a photo of my pretty face taken next to it – to prove it, just not sure if it would be appropriate to post it here?
Anyhow I could e-mail it to you if interested, together with a little explanation of what I had to do with it:)

best regards

Well the phrase before that was “Alternative chosen was a 12-degree Ski-jump deck. That suffices….”

That leaves no questions to me…anyway this required thrust-to-weight ratio is mentioned in other sources as well. Are you (or other unbelivers) stating that Conway has got it wrong? Basing on what?

That leaves no questions to me…

-may I ask why? because someone said so?

anyway this required thrust-to-weight ratio is mentioned in other sources as well

– other sources as in….?

Are you (or other unbelivers) stating that Conway has got it wrong?

– either him or you got it wrong as to what is he saying(no disrespect intended, whatsoever), could you please quote a bit more from the article, just to see exactly what is he saying. Nothing to do with unbelivers, just comon sense and enough basic knowledge of aerodynamics, the only aircraft needing trust to weight ratio larger than 1 are the ones taking off verticaly – straight up or the ones with no wings -> helicopters

Basing on what?
-comon sense, and understanding of basic aerodynamics principles.

best regards

Okay, So the Brits aren’t happy and now its the Norwegians. Who is next ?

Australia, maybe?

we should get the F-22 anyway, at least we know that flies:)

Bloody awesome! can’t wait to see some pics or videos.
However it is not a huge chalange for the russian display pilots.
Doing the Cobra while flying through it, well that’s a chalenge:)
would that be something or would that be something???

fighter and advance trainer project of poland

I realy like the third one – the white one any more info or photos or what is it called?
thanks

yes it does look similar to rafale, and I like it.

Not really. No NATO aircraft were written off due to damage in combat. All this complete garbage of ‘we’ll know the truth in 20-30 years’ is simply a pipe dream. Aircraft took nicks and damage, but none were written off from any NATO inventory. How are those losses being covered up? Simple answer, they are not. Get over it guys!

Think how many governments took part in combat ops? Consider how many of those administrations have changed hands and still not one airframe has come to light as missing or written off, other than those already in the public eye? All those national audit offices in democratic countries and still no official or group has uncovered missing airframes that don’t match up to board of enquiries on loss? Consider how many people who would love to rub Clinton’s nose in it with a list of undisclosed airframes lost while he was commander in chief?

Just on the monetory value alone a missing airframe story to a magazine such as AFM would make a tidy sum. AFM has already back in 1999 stated in print ‘was there more aircraft lost?’ I believe it was Alan Warnes who wrote that in an article? It’s now coming up for 7 years since the start of the conflict and still not one lost airframe has come to light? Another avenue to go down is ejection seat manufacturers records from that period. Are they all part of the cover up as well? Sorry to those ‘undisclosed NATO losses’ guys, but they just didn’t happen.

hi teej, I think you are missing the point that I was making here, most of the posts you find here that make claims that YUG shot this or shot that etc are grossly exagerated or claiming things like B1 or B2 shot down, F4’s Harriers Mirrages etc. The guy above clearly states his understanding of the reasons of the conflict and the outcome etc.
He also acknowledges that only 2 aircraft were shot down and not 20 or 200 like some other posters claim, in regards to damaged ones he only sugests that some of them got damaged, and it is a good chance that might have been “de-cominisioned” etc. I can’t see what’s so garbage about it.
there’s picture of A-10 minus engine and few panels and chunks missing of it at Skopje airport etc, that is not just a nick or scratch it is a hit, it is just very hard to knock A-10 out of the sky:), (you can even search for it on this forums), there have been drones or cruise missiles shot down etc, so I believe that is what perhaps is reffered above, the drones are aircraft too:)
His post is by far the most realistic assesment from someone making claims for the other side, therefore I made the comment about being reasonable and frank, like I said before, all the other posts I’ve seen claim b2’s etc.
Another thing is in regards to aircraft being scrapped or de-comisioned, they don’t count as shot down anyway, as they only have been hit, but made it back, there’s an option to repair them if viable or scrap them if not, either way, they don’t have to count them as shot down – they are just widrawn from service.
There’s no need to get all fired up because I choose to commend someone for their honesty and fair assesment – from his point of view.

regards,