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  • in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2598175
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    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2598272
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    yup, i think this was due to the sanctions at that time. 108 hours per year is very very low.

    But its good to see they have again increased that to around the 180 hours a year mark (NATO Standard) , along with significantly decreased attrition rates. Last year they lost only 3-4 aircraft i think.

    in reply to: The IAF – March-April 2006 #2598291
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    Anyone want an obsolete Indian fighter?
    By David Nguyen

    Apr 5, 2006

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HD05Df01.html

    In March the “Tejas” completed its 500th flight test. Flying at Mach 1.4 and capable of carrying weapons on seven hard points, the Tejas is the flagship in India’s long struggle to develop an indigenous light fighter aircraft. But while the technology represents a major achievement for India’s aviation industry,questions remain whether the effort is worth the money that is being poured into it.

    It is by no means certain that even the Indian Air Force, which needs to replace its aging fleet of Russian-made MiG-21s, will buy the plane over the several other light fighters it could obtain from abroad. Nor are export prospects certain given the glut of superior US, French, Swedish and other light fighter aircraft now on the world’s armaments market.

    The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) program began in 1983 out of the rising need to replace the MiG-21s, which even then were becoming obsolete but still constituted the most numerous type of aircraft in the Indian Air Force’s inventory. By 1990, the design for a new plane was finalized, with the aircraft adopting a cranked delta wing and tailless configuration powered by a single turbofan engine.

    Five years later the designated manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautical (HAL), unveiled two prototypes. However, because of difficulties with its flight-control system, the aircraft’s first test flight was delayed another five years, until January 2001. Since then, two more prototypes have been produced, with a naval variant currently undergoing development.

    Yet more than two decades since its conception, the Tejas has yet to reach production status. Instead, it continues to perform endless flight tests. Difficulties with flight controls were eventually resolved, but its power plant, the indigenous Kaveri engine, continues to be plagued with technical difficulties, the worst of which was the collapse of the engine during high-altitude tests performed at a Russian base in 2004.

    The Tejas demonstrators and prototypes continue to be powered by a General Electric F404 engine, similar to the one used in the US F/A-18 and the Swedish Gripen. As a result of numerous setbacks with the Kaveri engine, India has began seeking assistance from foreign engine manufacturers, including General Electric, Pratt & Whitney and the French company Snecma.

    While difficulties with its power plant could be easily resolved simply by abandoning the local engine and settling on a foreign onet, the Tejas continues to suffer from one key drawback that HAL is unlikely to overcome – its extremely limited airframe. At just 5,500 kilograms and 13 meters long, the Tejas is smaller and lighter than other lightweight aircraft such as the Gripen and the United States’ F-16.

    Its small size gives the aircraft a smaller radar cross-section, but at the same time limits the amount of fuel (and thus range) and room for additional avionics.

    When completed, the Tejas will be comparable to the Gripen in its capabilities. But the Gripen has been operating in Swedish squadrons for nearly a decade and has already seen a new upgraded variant, the Gripen-C, being produced. Similarly, another light combat aircraft, the F-16, has been in service for nearly three decades while offering similar capabilities and numerous upgraded variants.

    The capabilities the Tejas offers do not provide anything new or significant over existing light fighters that have already been flying in foreign air forces for years. In short, it is already obsolete.

    Rising development costs due to continuing deficiencies in the program will ultimately produce an expensive aircraft that may only be built in limited numbers. India says it intends to export the Tejas, which would offset some of the development costs and lower overall unit costs. However, any exports would have to come after the Indian Air Force has received enough aircraft to replace the aging MiG-21 fleet and would also depend on when the Tejas could actually be produced in large numbers.

    Priority in replacing the MiG-21s is high because both Mikoyan-Gurevich and HAL ceased producing new models decades ago. In the export arena, the Tejas will have to compete with established rivals such as the Gripen and both new and used F-16s, which exist in the thousands and will continue be available for export when the F-35 begins replacing them in the US and Europe.

    Elsewhere, nations unable to acquire the Swedish or US aircraft because of export restrictions could easily buy the Russian MiG-29 or the larger Su-30, both of which are sold at prices well below their Western counterparts’. Most air forces using the MiG-21 have already begun replacing their fleets with the aforementioned aircraft. There is very little incentive for customers to acquire the Tejas, as better options exist.

    While the potential for exports may seem dim for the Tejas, so do the prospects of placing it in service of the Indian Air Force. There is no doubt that the Tejas is superior to the aircraft it is intended to replace; however, the air force generals are not just waiting around until the Tejas comes into full production.

    India has already acquired MiG-29s and Sukhoi Su-30MKIs from Russia and Mirage-2000s from France. The MiG-29 and Mirage 2000 are considered lightweight combat aircraft, and the former is renowned for its agility. It performed exceptionally well during the Kargil conflict with Pakistan over Kashmir. The larger and more sophisticated Su-30MKI employs top-of-the-line French, Israeli and Russian avionics.

    With the exception of the US F-22, the Su-30MKI is perhaps the world’s most capable fighter aircraft currently flying. To make matters worse for the LCA program, the Indian Air Force is seeking to acquire as many as 126 additional new aircraft from foreign manufacturers to replace the MiG-21. They include upgraded versions of the Mirage2000 and MiG-29, and other aircraft such as the French Rafale and the Gripen.

    US companies have also presented their bids, which include the F-16 and F/A-18E that features advanced ActiveElectronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars. As India continues to ponder the bids, and as the air force continues to acquire second-hand Mirage 2000s from France and Qatar, there is increasingly less incentive for India to continue the Tejas program.

    New Delhi should swallow its pride and cancel the program before any more money is wasted. Cancellation should have minimal impact on the air force, as the number of aircraft that will be acquired from the recent bids should be more than enough for MiG-21 replacement. The funding and experience can be applied to India’s other ambitious program, the Medium Combat Aircraft. Ultimately, it is up to the government to cut its losses before the Tejas makes its 1,000th “test” flight.

    David Nguyen is a University of Hawaii alumnus with a degree in political science and Asian studies.

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2598465
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    Cockpit Layout of the JF-17

    in reply to: FC-1 Prototype 04: the Saga Continues #2598506
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    I hope they also demonstrate live firing of weapons in this 04 Flight. Maybe an SD-10 or two. :p

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2598514
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    There are only 8 new P-3Cs being donated, not 9. These are,

    159505
    159508
    159509
    159510
    159511
    159890
    159883
    160289

    The contract extends to November 2010 and all these P-3Cs will be Update/Block-III AIP/BMUP standards.

    Yup JDW reports 8 too. Two Lockheed Martin P-3C Orions in the current inventory will be upgraded after extended maintenance work is completed around mid-2006 and eight more refurbished P-3Cs have been obtained from the US for USD970 million. The latter will also be modernised and the full Orion fleet should be completed to the latest configuration by 2009.

    For some reason the Lockheed website mentions 9 being upgraded for delivery.
    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=17554&rsbci=0&fti=111&ti=0&sc=400

    aced_inc, don’t forget to include the Rafale too
    (Deal cleared/Delivery unknown). :diablo:

    Only finalised deals please. That is why i haven’t even included the J-10 in the list although mushy has given clear signs. 😉

    Nowhere does that report say that the deal for Rafale has been officially finalised/signed. 🙂

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2598579
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    Need help with PAKISTAN AIR FORCE finalised military acquisitions.

    Can anyone help me list all finalised/confirmed orders placed by the Pakistan Military Aviation in 2004-2006 :

    – 10 Mil Mi-17 medium transport helicopters (already delivered)

    – 26 Bell 412EP multirole medium helicopters (deal finalised/some already delivered)

    – 30 K-8 Jet Trainers (Deal Finalised)

    – 7 Erieyes/SAAB 2000’s, of which six will be AWACS and one simulator/training unit. Radar on one already fitted (deal finalised)

    – 9 P-3C Orions (deal finalised)

    – 2 F-16 A/B’s (already delivered)

    – 20 refurbished AH-1F Huey Cobra close support/attack helicopters (Deal finalised/Delivery in 18 months)

    – JF-17 Manufacturing Facility, being built at Kamra as we speak with machinery being imported from Europe. (Deal Finalised)

    – 6 C-130H Hercules + 6 more from the present fleet to be upgraded to the “H” standard including a glass cockpit (Deal Finalised)

    – X number of YLC-2 long-range 3-D phased-array surveillance system (already delivered)

    – 6 of 10 YLC-6 radars on order have so far been delivered (already delivered)

    – 6 US-made AN/TPS-77 tactical mobile radars for medium-level application. (Deal finalised/Delivery unknown)

    – JSOW capability(already delivered)

    – 4 UAV systems from Italy’s Galileo Falco. (deal finalised, delivery in december)

    – 3-4 EMT Luna short-range battlefield reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition UAV from Germany. (Deal Finalised)

    – RGM-84/UGM-84 Harpoon Block II medium-range anti-ship missile. (Deal Finalised/Delivered?)

    in reply to: The IAF – March-April 2006 #2598582
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    aced-Inc, your comments make no sense at all. The IAF has greatly improved flight safety and all aircraft types are going through upgrades to avionics, radars, etc. The emphasis of these upgrades is that pilots must have increased situational awareness to increase the lethality of their machines and to make them safer. Of course, not every air-force can afford to go in for such massive upgrades. Also, IAF and IN are going in for a massive MRCA purchase that will add 200 state-of the-art aircraft to the country’s inventory. So if you put brand-spanking new Su-30s, Mirage 2000s, upgraded Mig-29s, upgraded Mig-21s, upgraded Jaguars, New build Jags, upgraded Mig-27s, with 200 state of the art MRCA, new LCAs etc you begin to understand the fearsome capability of the IAF. Admittedly this is causing heartburn and indigestion to some – i.e. this new thread when there is already an IAF thread! And before I forget to mention, IAF has also on order 66 Hawk AJTs – deliveries are expected to start next year. And oh did I write about the interim MRCA order for 20 new Mirage 2000 and upgrades to the existing fleet being considered as an interim measure for the MRCA program?

    The Indian economy has grown tremendously and is creating high paying opportunities for all. Fresh graduates are making more money than experienced graduates made in their entire lifetime earlier. The tremendous growth in comercial aviation is reported in every issue of magazines like AW&ST. Commercial trafic is growing at the rate of 25%. Indian airlines have 400 plus commercial jets on order for delivery in the next 5 years. Some of the airlines are now attracting foreign pilots to fly the commercial jets as pilots cannot be trained fast enough to keep up with the great demand. So the airlines have now started poaching airforce pilots. I don’t think any fighter pilots can fly multi-engined commercial jets without prior experience on multi-jets. So we may lose a few transport pilots in this process.

    Admittedly India’s tremendous growth causes heartburn around the world and in our neighbourhood.

    4 IAF pilot deaths in the span of two days (March 19,21) might have lead to this coming out so blatantly. I can be wrong.

    Regardless, this report is very disturbing. I hope the Indian government takes some important steps to settle these disputes.

    in reply to: The IAF – March-April 2006 #2598674
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    This has a lot do with the poor state of attrition and deaths in the Indian air force. This is very bad for the IAF. A military force that has 200 of its pilots wanting to quit leaves very little credibility for the establishment.

    Worse of all, they want to commit suicide rather fly as pilots in the IAF. What else is left to say now ?

    Very little.

    in reply to: Pakistan's Missiles and Strategic News/Disscussions #1815861
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    Thats why I said , let it be on record , Only time will tell the real story behind babur.

    Let me bring up a few more things on record. Like VK Aatre’s various interviews about Indian N-Delivery systems not on par with their Pakistani counterparts, or American reports that Pakistan’s nukes outstrip India’s. Ever read Karnad’s ‘We are great at fooling ourselves’ ?

    As for Babur, it has been twice tested successfully within the span of 6 months. It is being nuclearised as we speak. A submarine launched version will be inducted. An air launched version will be developed. The way things are progressing, you and Admiral Arun Prakash should be more worried about finding a deterrant instead of stories behind Babur. 😀

    Who on earth can stop that from happening , Just beg/borrow/steal a few dozens from China, NK or from any where you could ( who better knows the black market than the Pakistanis ) , Paint It & Fire It , tell the friendly PR Army Guy to claim that research has been going on for 10 years at KRL or NDC .

    http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/jun/10inter.htm

    Most of our indigenous weaponisation programmes have not done very well. What needs to be done?

    …….India wants to achieve superpowerhood on the cheap. Why should anybody accord you big-power status? What are you? You are a beggarly country. You don’t even know what your national interests are.

    I am very respectful of Pakistan, and I have always said so. Why? Because their margin of error is so little. That is why they don’t take any chances. Like the Israelis. You have to beg, borrow or steal to ensure your security. In our case, we think we are a subcontinent and who cares? The drought kills millions, but there is a billion more, so who cares?

    That is the difference. I am not surprised that the Pakistanis are so motivated, so dedicated and so resolved to have what they want. Bhutto said, ‘We’ll eat grass, but we’ll have it [the nuclear bomb].’ They got it! They got it!

    P.S : Do you have the article by Songupta where he says that the American missile Shield program is also a product of AQK proliferation ? 😀

    in reply to: Pakistan's Missiles and Strategic News/Disscussions #1815884
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    Let the Report by FORCE be on Record

    Credible or Not only time will prove it

    Dr AQ Khan was simply incredible , Till he was caught with his pants down by the Americans and lost his credibility

    Wrong. tsk tsk.

    Dr. AQKhan, is still a national hero and will go down as a national hero in the eyes of Pakistanis all around the world.

    Awww… too bad he lost his credibility in the eyes of the Indians and the Americans…..WHO CARES ??!! :diablo:

    He is still in Pakistan comfortably resting at his mansion. And there are little chances of him being handed over to the Indians for investigation. 😉 :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2599044
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    Can anyone help me list all finalised/confirmed orders placed by the Pakistan Military Aviation in 2005-06 :

    – 10 Mil Mi-17 medium transport helicopters (already delivered)

    – 26 Bell 412EP multirole medium helicopters (deal finalised/some already delivered)

    – 30 K-8 Jet Trainers (Deal Finalised)

    – 7 Erieyes/SAAB 2000’s, of which six will be AWACS and one simulator/training unit. Radar on one already fitted :dev2: (deal finalised)

    – 9 P-3C Orions (deal finalised)

    – 2 F-16 A/B’s (already delivered)

    – 20 refurbished AH-1F Huey Cobra close support/attack helicopters (Deal finalised/Delivery in 18 months)

    – JF-17 Manufacturing Facility, being built at Kamra as we speak with machinery being imported from Europe. (Deal Finalised)

    – 6 C-130H Hercules + 6 more from the present fleet to be upgraded to the “H” standard including a glass cockpit (Deal Finalised)

    – X number of YLC-2 long-range 3-D phased-array surveillance system (already delivered)

    – 6 of 10 YLC-6 radars on order have so far been delivered (already delivered)

    – 6 US-made AN/TPS-77 tactical mobile radars for medium-level application. (Deal finalised/Delivery unknown)

    – JSOW capability(already delivered)

    – 4 UAV systems from Italy’s Galileo Falco. (deal finalised, delivery in december)

    – 3-4 EMT Luna short-range battlefield reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition UAV from Germany. (Deal Finalised)

    – RGM-84/UGM-84 Harpoon Block II medium-range anti-ship missile. (Deal Finalised/Delivered?)

    – BABUR :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

    Did I miss anything ?

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2599058
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    Its roles include anti-submarine warfare; anti-surface warfare; over water or overland intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; and network*centric warfare, such as command, control and communications. Additionally, the capabilities of the P-3C make it an ideal platform for a number of secondary missions, including search and rescue, drug interdiction, airborne early warning and electronic warfare.

    If you ask me, 11 upgraded P-3C Orions is one hell of a boost to the PN surveillance capabilities.

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2599061
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    LOCKHEED MARTIN BEGINS P-3C MARITIME SURVEILLANCE AIRCRAFT UPGRADES FOR PAKISTAN

    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=17554&rsbci=0&fti=111&ti=0&sc=400

    EAGAN, MN, April 4, 2006 — The U.S. Navy’s Naval Air Systems Command has awarded Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] a $6 million Foreign Military Sale contract to begin upgrades to P-3C aircraft for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. With the addition of other expected tasks, including aircraft and mission system upgrades and maintenance on a total of nine aircraft, this contract has a potential value of $300 million over the life of the program.

    The P-3C is the primary maritime surveillance aircraft operated by the U.S. Navy and 15 international allies. Its roles include anti-submarine warfare; anti-surface warfare; over water or overland intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; and network­centric warfare, such as command, control and communications. Additionally, the capabilities of the P-3C make it an ideal platform for a number of secondary missions, including search and rescue, drug interdiction, airborne early warning and electronic warfare.

    Work on the first Pakistani P-3C aircraft will commence in early March, with additional contract tasks anticipated in 2006 for other aircraft and mission system upgrades on a total of nine aircraft. These P-3Cs will further enhance Pakistan’s capabilities to conduct maritime surveillance in the littoral and deep water environments, supporting the conduct of anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare. The aircraft maintenance and modifications will be performed at Lockheed Martin’s Aircraft and Logistics Center in Greenville, SC.

    “This contract continues to demonstrate Lockheed Martin’s commitment to sustain, refresh and support the P-3 aircraft around the world in order to meet the operator’s current and future needs,” said Rick Kirkland, vice president, Lockheed Martin Maritime Surveillance Enterprise.

    “We are proud to provide these critical upgrades to the Pakistan Navy,” said Richard Ambrose, vice president and general manager of Lockheed Martin’s Tactical Systems business unit. “With 91 percent of all active duty P-3’s carrying our mission systems, we know these aircraft will be capable of performing at a world-class level. Our upgrades provide enhanced capabilities that will expand Pakistan’s role in both humanitarian and military operations.”

    As prime contractor to the U.S. Navy’s Naval Air Systems Command, Lockheed Martin is the prime mission system integrator for the P-3C aircraft’s mission avionics, including surveillance sensors, acoustic sensors, weapons control, communications, survivability, displays, and controls. Integrated workstations, sensors, and communications will provide a significant surveillance capability for the Pakistan Navy, making the P-3C a key part of the Pakistan national systems.

    Lockheed Martin’s Tactical Systems business unit is a leader in the design, research and development, systems integration, and support of mission systems and onboard computing on advanced military aircraft and related technologies. Its customers include U.S. and international military and civilian agencies.

    Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin employs about 135,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The corporation reported 2005 sales of $37.2 billion.

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    P-3C Orions Being Refurbished for Pakistan

    by Brendan P. Rivers
    Apr. 7, 2006

    The U.S. Navy has awarded Lockheed Martin (Eagan, MN) an initial $6-million contract to begin upgrades to P-3C maritime-patrol aircraft destined for Pakistan under a Foreign Military Sale (FMS).

    Refurbishment work on P-3C Orion maritime-patrol aircraft for Pakistan has gotten underway. A total of nine Orions are to be upgraded and delivered to the South Asian nation.

    Work on the first Pakistani aircraft is already underway, and the company expects to receive additional contract tasks for further aircraft and mission system upgrades on a total of nine aircraft for the South Asian nation. In all, the program has a potential value of approximately $300 million.

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2599178
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    China close to test JF-17

    BEIJING (AFP) – China is close to testing a new prototype of the FC-1 Xiaolong combat jet jointly developed with Pakistan, about a year behind the initial schedule, state media said Sunday.
    The fourth prototype of the Xiaolong aircraft, a multi-role fighter-bomber with a range of 1,200 kilometers, will take to the air “in the near future,” the Beijing News reported.
    The aircraft, also known as the JF-17, is a cooperative project between the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group in the southwest province of Sichuan and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.
    While earlier prototypes have focused on operational flight capabilities, the fourth prototype is expected especially to test the weapons fit.
    The plane is capable of carrying multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons, according to the paper

    http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/april-2006/10/index7.php

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