any pictures yet?

They are Su-30MK2’s with some modifications. Most likely intended as trainers for Su-35 pilots.

Your hope makes no economical sense in Russia of today, when you red soyuz1917 really. 😎

Soyuz can speak for himself.

I suspect that (as his nick suggests) he gives the commie point of view….”the sky is falling unless we take charge again” ….god forbid ;)….(I speak as the descendant of Russian emigrants after the civil war)

“Without all the help, all it would be able to export is lemons and oranges.”

Despite your claim a small country which adapted foreign military technology in a clever way to specific demands.

Maybe you can point me to another country in the world with a population of 5-6 million people with a similar military capability.

Or better still, can you show me another customer of German subs that has been offered a similar deal as Israel (perhaps gift is a better description)

But maybe I’m just totally wrong and I should start to believe that Yahveh’s chosen people are indeed special and unique.

Personally, I hope the UAV deal with the Israelis doesn’t go beyond the initial stages because it’s only a short term solution with a lot of strings attached. It would force the Russian MOD to put a more serious effort into developing local production instead of trying a cheap short cut.

Lets be realistic here. Israel only has an advantage in certain areas because unlike all other countries, it gets massive financial and technological help from abroad allowing it to concentrate it’s efforts on niche segments. Without all the help, all it would be able to export is lemons and oranges.

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Some interesting news…

Ukrainian “Artem” (producer of the R-27 missile among other things) plans a joint venture with Russia’s “Tactical Missiles Corporation” according to it’s president Stanislav Smal.

Mod Edit: Please do not post substantial cut-and-pastes from external sources.

We have recently had complaints from other publishers about this practice.

A summary and a link is quite sufficient.

http://vpk.name/news/44758_gahk_artem_planiruet_sozdat_sp_s_oao_korporaciya_takticheskoe_raketnoe_vooruzhenie.html

Su-27 aircraft crashes in Russian Far East

A Sukhoi Su-27 military aircraft crashed on Monday in the Russian Far East, but both pilots ejected and have been rescued alive, a representative of the Ussuriisk Aircraft Repair Plant said…….

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http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100920/160647473.html

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Russia completes domestic UAV tests

Russian domestically built unmanned aerial vehicles have completed a series of tests, a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Monday.

The tests were carried out in Nizhny Novgorod Region in central Russia and were observed by a special military commission led by Col. Gen. Alexander Postnikov, chief commander of the Ground Forces….

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http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100920/160651529.html

A different look at the Su-27 by former US F-15 pilot and technicians:

http://www.eaa.org/warbirdsbriefing/articles/1001_flanker.asp

Interesting find. Thanks.

from the link given above:

what are they (I know what a Mi-2 is)?

If they are Mi-2, it leads me to believe that the Mi-24s are also pre-used. Does Mil still produce a helicopter with the designation ‘Mi-24’?

They’re probably refurbished Mi-35s. Here’s one of them getting prepared to be loaded onto a An-124

Thanks lenevolk but its Su-27SM cockpit 🙂

I was under the impression that the Su-27SM cockpit layout was based on the Mig-1.44 but looking at it properly – you’re right.

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Wanderlei,

nice model.

As for the Chinese J-xx, who knows for sure but it’s a possibility.

Intersting, so this could be used also to control a medium gun (e.g. 76mm). Analogies to use of Oto 76mm in antimissile role….

I did a bit of a search on the “Puma” and apparently it was designed to control 25 – 130mm guns.

Fire Control: Features a Ratep JSC 5P-10E Puma fire control system, comprising of a phased array and target tracking radar along with laser and TV devices. The system – fitted above the bridge deck – features in-flight course correction updates via data links, has a maximum detection range of 60 km, operates autonomously and is capable of automatically locking on to four targets and tracking them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar_class_frigate#Radar

A bit more detailed info below…
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=4S3h8j_NEmkC&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=Russian+Puma+fire+control+system&source=bl&ots=hHZtPVW070&sig=Fx6hI9bartGuX8vPvzxpAYlR_t4&hl=en&ei=4syETKKfMouWce3usdAL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Russian%20Puma%20fire%20control%20system&f=false

No the disadvantage of AK-630M series is it lacks closed loop guidance the MR-123 Radar which controls a pair of AK-630M CIWS guns do not provide those closed loop guidance for calculating the incoming and outgoing shell for miss distance at targets and correction in real time.

The Phalanx CIWS guns have closed loop guidance built in them.

There isn’t much detail on the Duet but you’re probably right.

On the other hand, the Phalanx’s rate of fire is 3,000-4,500 rds/min (20mm) compared to 10 000 30mm shells