LonevolkI’m sure they know whether another cruiser is needed better than you or me. In any case there’s a lot of politics involved in all this….it’s much bigger than 1 cruiser.
As for finite and scarce resources, your advice is more suited to certain other countries living beyond their means.
LonevolkDefinitive (Phase 2) PAK-FA engine to have ‘flattened nozzle’ (2-D TVC)……are working on minimising thrust losses to 2-3% [as opposed to the F-22’s 5-7%].
If they do go that way it will probably require significant redesign of the aircraft….I’d wait for further confirmation.
LonevolkIn all these price variants, they’ld still be buying 1980 era designed ship with 1980s equipment in all key areas (i.e. no modifications). In reality, you’ld be looking at a combination of finishing unfinished parts + refurbish finished parts + modernizing the vessel. That price tag will have little to do with the original price tag, in whole or in part, indexed or not. And then you have to consider if that money isn’t better to use towards building a number of smaller, new ships, given the state and needs of the fleet overall. What good will it do to raise the number of (relatively old) cruisers by 1 to 6 in the next 5 years (or keep it at 5 by getting this Slava to replace a retiring Kara cruiser), if during that time the number of destroyers and especially frigates continues to dwindle, leaving the fleet with 6-7 ‘capital’ ships (including the Kuz) but likely less than 20 ocean going escort ships to screen them. (And then I’m not even factoring in the possible arrival of new large ships such as LPDs or additional carriers, which would make for an even more lobsided fleet composition)
You’re missing the point…..it’s all about increasing production capacity (by adding Ukr. shipyards). That would translate in quicker production of smaller vessels down the line as well.
Russians want to spend their scarce resources…
they just essentially decided to bankroll an entire country with “scarce” resources
Lonevolk(Rough translation from Russian)
Russia intends to buy the missile cruiser “Ukraine”?
Russia is interested in buying the missile cruiser Ukraine, said State Duma Deputy, Chairman of the Subcommittee on Military-Technical Cooperation Mikhail Nenashev.
“This ship is 70% ready. This ship can be accepted into the Navy of Russia. We need this ship,” – said Nenashev. The MP noted that the cruiser’s weapons and navigation systems need installing.
He stressed that the agreement on the prolongation of the Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine opens the way to achieve concrete agreements on the issue of the purchase of the cruiser. Nenashev said that the cruiser can be used on any of the four fleets of Russia.
“Within months we will check the position on the ship, and at the end of May, I’m willing to talk specifics,” – he added.
According to the deputy, the former leadership of Ukraine showed an “inability” to settle the issue. He also stressed that cooperation with Ukraine on shipbuilding and ship repair involves precisely full co-production of vessels, not just spraying the paint.
Nenashev also reported that the tender with the Kherson Shipyard is almost ready, which is necessary to the Russian side to restart the nuclear reactors, and we are ready to take it for the Navy for use in a system of naval transport. “
He stressed that in the case of preparedness of Ukrainian authorities, Russia is ready to place other orders, including aircraft carriers, in Ukrainian shipyards.
According Nenashev, Russia will need 4-5 aircraft carriers.
LonevolkRussian North Fleet destroyer to rejoin fleet after 18 years
The Vice-Admiral Kulakov destroyer will rejoin Russia’s Northern Fleet after an 18-year overhaul, a spokesman for the Severnaya Verf shipyard said on Monday.
The Vice-Admiral Kulakov, a Project-1155 Udaloy-class destroyer, was commissioned in 1982 and was in service until March 1991 when it was retired for repairs.
The retrofit program ran into serious difficulties over a lack of funding and there were even plans to scrap the warship. However, in the early 2000s, the Russian Defense Ministry raised enough funds to complete the modernization.
The Vice-Admiral Kulakov has a displacement of 6,200 tons, a length of 162.99 m, a speed of 35 knots, a range of 19,400 km, and a crew of 300.
It is armed with AK-100 artillery systems, Rastrub-B and RBU-6000 antisubmarine complexes, Kinzhal antiaircraft missile systems, and anti-submarine torpedoes. It also carries two Ka-27 Helix-series helicopters.
MOSCOW, April 5 (RIA Novosti)
LonevolkRough translation from Russian…
Rosatom handed over to Sukhoi supercomputer developed in Russia
30/03/2010MOSCOW, March 30 – RIA Novosti. State Corporation “Rosatom” passed on to JSC Company Sukhoi, the first compact super computer with a Russian software productivity of 1 teraflops (1 trillion of floating point operations per second), reports on Tuesday RIA Novosti correspondent with the ceremony of transfer of the sample.
The supercomputer is designed by FGUP Russian Federal Nuclear Center VNIIEF, located in the city of Sarov, Nizhny Novgorod region.
This machine can simulate the gas-dynamic processes, investigate aerodynamics, as well as do other calculations. In 2011, it will be possible shortchanging models of hydrodynamics, turbulent mixing, and in 2012 it will be possible to calculate the model of acoustics and heat and mass transfer. Thanks to these ideas “Rosatom plans to build a database, which in turn, will allow aircraft builders from 2012 to begin an integrated simulation modeling.
Creation of the first sample of compact supercomputer will enable the next phase to begin limited production of these computers.
By the end of this year, VNIIEF plans to manufacture and pass on to users 14 super computers. Among users – the nuclear industry companies, Roscosmos, KAMAZ, as well as Aircraft Association “Saturn”.
According to Director General of Sarov nuclear center Valentine Kostyukova, hardware-software system (super-computers), national production will create a competitive product on the world market. ” The cost of this super-computers 1,6 million rubles, and it replaces 50 conventional high-performance computers. In the future, mass production of these computers will reduce their cost by 20% in comparison with similar computer systems, supplied to Russia from abroad.
In turn, the head of Rosatom, Sergei Kiriyenko noted that the state corporation, on the one hand, this is a commercial project, but on the other – it is a practical realization of development objectives in Russia supercomputer technologies.
Kiriyenko also said that it was necessary to build up the system to work with supercomputers and the transfer of Sukhoi first super-computers, “this work started.
LonevolkPosted by BlauerMax
They might be talking about an Active Aeroelastic Wing (AAW)
Interesting. Thanks for posting
What’s being described in the case of the PAK-FA is more like the Mission Adaptive Wing tested on the AFTI F-111
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/photo/F-111AFTI/HTML/EC86-33385-002.html
Something along those lines seems like the best bet IMO
LonevolkI don’t speak Russian, so could not translate directly. Thus, I may be missing nuances.
However, as others have said, that could just mean automatic leading edge slats… which have been around since world war 2 (never mind F-16s!)
like Over G already said:
Neither flaps or ailerons are ‘adaptive’ as far i recall
Adaptive wing is to configure all the wing controls to the best performance, and to make all of them to work together
And i doubt the 22 does have this capability, probably the F35, but then i have never heard about it.
It’s likely that the all moving tails, LERX and the LE slats work together, which I assume contributes to the ability to perform complex maneuvers automatically
What are you trying to point out? :confused: All I see is a leading edge slat and the flap/aileron working together to form an over all shape. I don’t think anything is moving between the slat and the trailing edge as the whole area is covered with fastener lines and removable panels.
There is some speculation that part of the wing might be flexible or adaptive. The panels on that part of the wing seem different….but it’s just speculation.
LonevolkWell this is definitely a bolt of lightning out of a clear sky 😀
But no chance to win the tender no matter what aircraft they enter with….the Pentagon’s minions in Congress would never allow such a thing.
Even the Il-76 TD (fire fighter) was knocked back a few years ago on some pretty farcical grounds….
(from 2002)
Forest Service ignores
offers of Russian help
11,000-gallon tanker plane pours
‘too much water,’ officials say
http://70.85.195.205/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28739
Anyway, the big news is actually this…..potential foothold in the American market
United Aircraft will partner with a “small U.S. defense contractor,” which will be renamed United Aircraft Corp. America Inc., this person said, declining to name that contractor.
“UAC will publicly announce by Monday morning the signing of the joint venture agreement for the first of what is hoped to be many opportunities in the U.S.,” says John Kirkland, a Los Angeles-based attorney representing UAC.
LonevolkIn other words, F-16, F-22, and probably all of the Eurocanards.
Not exactly. If I understood it correctly (I could be wrong – my Russian is poor) not just the leading edges of the wing but the part of the wing proper….maybe something like this (just my guess)
LonevolkNo, another source from Sukhoi gave 6 R-77 internally.
6 MR missiles in the main bays + 2 SR missiles but the commentator didn’t specify where….so it’s unclear
You mean like a Mission Adaptive Wing (MAW)
Could it be as simple as changing the camber of the wing with speed using the leading edge slats and lerxs?
Possibly. Here’s one definition
mission adaptive wing
An advanced super-critical wing design that uses smooth variable wing camber to change the shape of the wing, thereby providing high levels of aerodynamic efficiency over a large range of subsonic, transonic, and supersonic flight conditions.
LonevolkMiG-23, Su-24, F-14, Tornado…? 😉
Comedian huh 😎
I think what they’re saying is that the profile of the wing might be changing in relation to the speed of the aircraft
LonevolkGallery of the hand over
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2010/03/19/8005
One more piece of news…
Preparations for serial production of the new LR S-400 missile are under way
(in Russian)
http://armstass.su/?page=article&aid=82152&cid=25
LonevolkNo one’s brought up this video yet with some interesting info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MwKsRVtOwc
Summary:
** 17000 tests in aerodynamic tubes with 25 models carried out. Data base of T-50 aerodynamics has been created.
** PAK-FA has more innovative aerodynamic features compared to the F-22.
– All moving vertical and horizontal tails.
– Movable LERX.
– A novelty is that T-50 has “ADAPTABLE” wing geometry (04:13 on video). The wing adapts corresponding to the speed that the aircraft is flying at (changes it’s shape?) allowing maximum aerodynamic performance.
** Fully automated fly by wire system allows sophisticated maneuvers to be carried out by regular/average pilots (up to now only by test pilots or instructors). For example maneuvers such as “helicopter” (from 05:00)…. cobra maneuver can now be performed at will (maneuvers can be pre-programed and executed automatically by the flight control system)
LonevolkWell , maby you could understand more from the article in VZLET,unfortunetly i dont speak russian, tho i’m struggling to read thru the lines, 11/2009 is the number in question ,the MMRCA article, they are all there from the beggining , free for everyone to read , just click on the PDF icon…
http://www.take-off.ru/index.php/2009
Thanks.
According to the link you posted, both 961 and 967 are new built examples based on the Mig-29K/KUB (some small differences) but with equipment and avionics meant for the Mig-35.
Both aircraft took part in some tests in India.
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