I quote this for the benefit of all those still maintaining that the DDH16 is some sort of uber secret Beijing bombing attack carrier carrier. It is not and without a major reconstruction it never will be. Going by this the type can not even perform ‘trials’ with the F-35B.

And maybe it should be pointed out that there is the sum total of zero evidence of Japanese interest in the F-35B at the moment, compared to a plethora of articles talking about Japanese interest in the F-22.

So once again, The DDH16 can not operate F-35B and will remain unable to without major reconstruction.

One fully agrees with you on this about the ship, nice bit of kit for the role they want it for on the budget they have for them. Should they want to go for big flat tops then like the RN they would have to give up on something like escorts etc which are much better at covering the sea areas of concern to them.

I believe we have exhausted all that needs to be said on this fine ship until the sea trials etc are underway and to see what she will actually carry on her day job. Be interesting to see what they land on her during the coming trials.;)

X47 – for the RN?

This bird would (or similar if BAe/MOD really go for it) be the answer the RN is looking for to give the ordered CVF’s the number so of fast jets to give a creditable strike packag.e As we have seen recently we have run out of fast jets from JFH even to exercise with for the small CVS’s do you really think a 100+ F35’s will give them the numbers worthwhile. It’s a big deck and should be able to handle all the F35’s between them with room to spare! leaving none for land ops! we know that will never happen or maybe we can borrow a few of the US again !!!!!!

We save on pilot training too and of course allows cross decking with the USN.

let us see what comes in the future shall we.:rolleyes:

Norway NH 90

Great pics, thanks for sharing 😉

Can you tell us what kind of antiship missiles can they fire?

Regards

Yes a good looking bit of kit but as this a version for the Coast Guard then it is not currently planned to have any anti ship weapons. The Navy version will of course and one suspects it will use the new weapons currently being developed by Norway themselves as it works best for them. A big step up from the Lynx just the same. Any news on the options thay have to replace the Seakings in the SAR! :rolleyes:

T45 sea trips

Glad of the reply Jonesy, and yes it will be interesting to see how they are used. Operationally as in ‘War’ they will always be part of a group but doing the peacetime trips they will deploy on their own even to the FI just as some of the amphip units are doing now so the UK tax payer gets value for money but in a true sence you wouldn’t send Ocean to do drug ops in the WI would you when the RM need her to go to fight? The RN still has too many job’s and not the assets to do them all. The T45 is a good bit of kit and we dearly need them but a few would be nice.

best.;)

What you will see!

[QUOTE=Jonesy;1153292]Not a chance will we see a T45 on solo patrol unless hulls 7 and 8 do get built and its unlikely even then – any tasking other than HVU consort would be a NATO combined ops one or, perhaps, a joint deployment with a French or Yank CVSG (or a sales trip to the Gulf!!!). The T42’s are indeed being sent out on solo patrols now but thats because using their remaining fatigue lives is infinitely preferable to piling it on the 23’s when the Dukes have to be kept around longer!.

Also the last 42 sent on APT, the Southampton I think it was, even deployed without her 1022 radar fully operational. Why? – because it wasnt absolutely necessary for the tasking, she has her 996 running, a functional Mk8 forward, working light guns, a couple of RHIBs and an embarked chopper and, for the tasking, thats all thats deemed as required. No way we are going to see a T45 used in such a fashion!.

The gapping of stated taskings is criminal, no argument there, but it wont be addressed by sending state of the art AAW escorts out for three laps of the Falklands followed by a run ashore in Rio and then on to rebuild a couple of heads blocks in some orphanage in Sierra Leone before heading back to Pompey!.

Phelgan,
Sorry Matey but the RN has been doing it for many many years (single ship deployments) and fully operational T42’s have been doing it, been there seen that as they say and T45’s will be doing it too as it is also showing the flag which is still a big thing for not just the RN but the UK around the world. I expect T45’s will be sent off to the far east soon as they go operational on their own. It is a good bit of kit and best shown off to those around that the RN can still go anywhere on the high seas. Don’t forget T42’s did knock the stealth out of the USAF in the first Gulf War and that was using old techno stuff, they are still very capable units but getting old as you say due to there very much over use over the years, many units have done multi back to back trips away unlike many other both RN and NATO units. I suspect the T45’s with their expected increased availablity be doing the same, lets watch and see OK. 😉

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Chaps.please can we get back to the topic at hand the SU’os for Iran. Let us look at the big picture, Iran has a very much aged air aim and even the parts coming from the Jews (and yes they did for many years) cannot keep them going for ever so they are looking for new kit to fly and as the west’s planes are truely not on the cards they have looked to Russia to get it, Y not, it’s a good bit of kit and will serve them well for years to come. 250 is a large number and over a long period that may be the target but I’d guess they will trickle them in to build up experience with the type. The rest of the region has updated so y not Iran? Can their pilots handle them? well they have done OK with the likes of the F14 and F4’s for years and sure they could have sent some crews to Russia to try out the type. Oil is the big player in the Middle East and as long as the West needs it they will continue to trade with them. Please note chaps that oil coming on line in central Canada and South America will soon rival anything from the Middle East so their political power of oil will deminish over the West. Over to you now.;)

T45’s

Well son it goes to truely show you know little about little at sea or the true role of the Navy and what we can do so stick to potting your silly little ideas in your sun house and leave the war fighting to those that have been there both on the giving and taking end. The RN for one has moved to multi role vessels as we have so few so YES they are GP rolled as have been on a AWD which did great NGS and we do the litterol thing these darys or have you missed the news over the last 10 – 15 years.

Those on shore too need AW cover since we have so few AD assests with the army thanks to the penny pinchers.

Get up to date son and maybe just maybe you can talk with the rest of us with some degree of knowledge.

BYE

Don’t be ridiculous – of course all vessels are not general-purpose. Many have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Yeah, because it’s nice to have the option if you want it later.

Shore bombardment? You have to be ******* joking! That has minimal real use these days and just leaves ships open to return-fire from shore-based, short-ranged missiles. The Type-45s should not be going anywhere near the shore – they should be protecting big ships from air-attack.

Stop whinging – you sound like a child. It isn’t PC, it’s to do with MONEY. If you want the new ships fully fitted out now, you get the job of telling your grandmother than she’s going to wait another year for treatment of her cancer because you’ve decided the Royal Navy needs the money more than she does.