The west defines 5th gen as a combination of Stealth, Sensor Integration and network integration (cooperative engagement, sensing, ew).
It’s a given that the Su-57 is lacking stealth for quite a few reasons from all aspects. The manufacturing photos of the serial aircraft recently showed that the aircraft are not being built with wedge shaped, graduating impedence, leading edge treatments. Just the same old blunt, rounded leading edges which will only support a far more reflective thin RAM.
There’s been no mention of sensor integration and no boasting of lines of missions systems code which is an indicator of overall system capability.
On the networking side, no mention of directional data link which form the emcon component of stealth. We do know the aircraft plans to light up like a Christmas tree in this regard though.
No mention of cooperative engagement or ew though (no mention of ew at all really).
Based on this I’d challenge the assertion that this plane is a stepping stone to 6tg gen and say it’s more of a step towards what is widely accepted as 5th gen. Let’s call it 4.75
in that case i apologize. For the sake of your info, defense conmputers have inhibited USB ports etc.
Mant things are comimn with block4, aswell as with Rafale F4 (including doftware defined radion called ERS-B already mounted on B301 so as to demonstrate fast datalink netwroking) etc.
Swiss will tell.
That’s Enterprise security 101.
Easy. Much bette rthan F-35, faster and with a 11g limit. Sorry for your flying turtle. PS they also have a satcom, what about F-35, they need a pod?
Glad it can fly faster, should help when it needs to run away.
F-35 just needs a network containing a satcom node which it most certainly has. Hell it could just stealth relay a message back to Rafales loitering (read: hiding) way outside the AO to do the satcom links for it.
It’s not like Rafales are going to be needed for any real combat role anyway when there’s F-35s in theatre, not for the first week or so. Rafales can play once the far more capable aircraft which aren’t already obsolete kick the door down for them.
Mobile dirty bombs in close proximity to your own troops. That would be really smart :stupid:
several antennas above the chine also.
Wonder how she flies with all the non-jettisonable crap hanging off her?
It’s just unfortunate that mentioning frequency is still not in habit of stealth discussion. The author doesnt seem to get my point :S.
There is no point debating RCS value without mention of what frequency they are taken. USAF said metal marble, Sukhoi said 0.3 sqm. Both can be true, just at which frequency they are taken and other possible condition that needs further clarification.
I think it’s universally assumed that the RCS is in xband for countering engagement radars. Just like average rcs would be the average of all operationally relevant angles when flying level (including the top and bottom aspect RCS in the calculation would be dumb).
BTW. Anyone else see what I saw in the photos above,. Yeeeouch!
Stealth by itself won’t get a whole lot of mileage without including ew systems which the F-35 also focuses on.
Every ew technique that relies on noise vs signal ratio to increase effectiveness is improved thousands of times by a low observable aircraft.
The recent discussion on formulas for cross eyed jamming showed that the F-35 stealth + system of systems model makes cross eyed jamming thousands of times more effective with a network of F-35s than just having pods mounted on each wing of a single sircraft… One example.
There’s a whole list of not so obvious advantages that are gained by a low observable platform.
Anyone doubting the efficacy of stealth in light of significant investment by the world’s top 3 airforces just doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
Both are in Swotzerland and in Finland no?
On the other hand i could say that given the procliviry of F-Teens to dinish in ashes vs Rafale, dadadada…
Shall i remind you that F-35 and Rafale were once opposed in Netherlands and how close were quotations? F-35 certianly has advantages (it is easy to enter first while stealthy for example), but also some setbacks (unable to carry very big ammos etc.)
Please clarify “unable to carry very big ammos”… Because carrying 6 x 2000 bombs with 4 aam, or 24 x SDB with 4 aam is nothing to sneeze at.
The difference here is the F-35 can fly in a stealthy configuration and reach so many more areas the Rafale can’t even dream of. But both can carry a decent external load.
The report seemed really well balanced. No comparison to Sputnik or RT who would never dream of mentioning
pilot criticisms about an aircraft.
That is not what I am seeing in the video. The plane is too high and is going to miss the wires, so the pilot aborts the landing in the last second with an insane save that I would not bet many other fighters can perform. It is the pilot that voluntarily takes the plane to an extreme AoA to end the descent against the deck, not the plane wanting to backflip. Sorry but I see no evidence of what you say.
Two comments:
> Very nice demonstration of the canards in downwards deflection to keep the airflow attached to the wing + body instead of the other way around, as some may imagine they would do in order to lift the nose. Frankly all I see is a master piece of aero design, especially considering this is before the digital FCS of the Su-35..
I see the pilot intending to wave off, pulling up slightly then hitting the ground effect from the carrier deck, pitching his aircraft upward much higher than he anticipated or wanted. He then white knuckles it out of there.
How it probably should have looked… Cool, calm and in control.
I never get tired of that video… simply amazing that a thing the size of a lorry can do such a feat two meters off the ground. High AoA controllability saving the day.
Ironically it’s the lack of controllability at low speed, high alpha that got the pilot into the extremely dangerous situation in the first place. At low speed, high AoA the Su-27 style airframes just want to backflip until their airspeed reaches 0 where they stall and the nose drops back down.
Fankiddies think the cobra is a desired “feature” of the aircraft where instead it’s evidence of an extreme controllability issue under post stall conditions..
OK
Hahaha good name! I guess we will see
Pants s#@ttingly scary…
If we’re talking carrier landings using this method at that AoA, the front landing gear will be damaged as the nose snaps down after the trap.
On a runway, the rear stinger is likely to strike the ground (expensive mistake given the radar in there).
Need margin for error, so this is about as crazy as those landings will ever get….
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I read that Russia uses it’s best pilots for carrier ops due to the extreme difficulty in doing standard carrier landings with the Su-33. Doing insanely risky, high AoA landings with 0 margin for error is not something you’d ever trust Russia’s typical 30hours per year VVS pilots with. One small lapse in attention and the pilots will inadvertently pull a pugachev’s cobra right into the ground.
They are much better off using that valuable time training how to survive against far more advanced, stealthier, numerically superior adversaries supported by a fully integrated system of systems for as long as possible.
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Radar house supplier NPP Pulsar’s S & X band GaN HEMT MMICs circa 2016:
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Took them 10 years to post the photo?
Impressive eodas view mode showing azimuth and heading indicators to targets so the pilot knows where to look…
https://www.military.com/video/incredible-high-res-infrared-imagery-f-35s
So no major design remediations happening before they pull the trigger. Interesting.