All the changes to the J-20/31 could have easily come from visual analysis of the F-35/22. The true secret-sauce cannot be seen (ie software, RAM, etc).

Btw, J-20s have been observed flying with luneburg lenses attached so any reports of detection are meaningless.

Unlike the Su-57 which didn’t have a luneburg in Syria this year yet was still detected… way too early 🙂

Sorry, couldn’t resist taking a dump. I’ll try harder next time not to keep the flies in here

Nope, he was way more specific than that.

“We for sure could within the framework of a short term stay in February of this year our machines Su-57 in Syria refine a number of the possible and associated data according to the ability F-22 and F-35 on the detection of our aircraft – telemetry gave essential occasion for their improvement”, noted V. Gutenev.

Syria is the only place in the world where Russia could get close enough to test their signature against both F-22s and F-35s. That was the whole reason for the deployment. That alone speaks volumes about Russia’s ability to simulate the US military’s radar capabilities as well. They couldn’t simulate it at home, so they had to test the aircraft on the real thing.

Lets move on to frontal aspect stealth and attention to minor details in stealth shaping (though I did have the forethought to back up my conversation with Trident last thread, will repost when I get a chance).

So happy to see my time spent on an intellectual pursuit validated, I made it my signature.

I think the original text was just google translate….

The Su-57 should be considered as an aircraft with export potential, and efforts should be concentrated on the creation of a fighter of the 6th generation – Gutenev
07/04/2018 15:40:54
Moscow. 4th of July. Interfax-AVN – The Su-57 fighter should be considered as a fine aircraft with export potential, but the main efforts should be focused on creating a transitional machine, the head of the State Duma commission for legal support of the development of defense industry organizations, the first vice- president of the Union of Machine Builders of the Russian Federation Vladimir Gutenev.
“I believe that the sixth-generation fighter will be a transitional vehicle between manned aircraft and unmanned intellectual shock complexes (BIOK) – in this case we are talking about aerial BIKU that can, thanks to their intellect, carry out the tasks set, including those that are sufficiently massive groups, “he said, commenting on the statement by Yury Borisov, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, that there will be no mass deliveries of the fifth generation of Su-57 fighters to Russia.
“I am largely in agreement with the words of Yuri Ivanovich (Borisov) about the fact that it is hardly worthwhile to expect a massive purchase of the Su-57,” Gutenev said.
“Given the undoubted merits of this machine, we certainly understand that the program was launched in 2001, and the implementation of the program for a number of objective reasons was delayed (initially it was planned in 2006-2007 to conduct flight tests, and from 2014 already deliver in the troops), in connection with the very dynamic development of technology – this applies to the systems of electronic warfare, and new composite materials, and new opportunities that additive technologies provide in terms of constructive cheaper machines, “- konstestirov Al he.
“Well, of course, this is due to the fact that we have very sophisticated machines – the Su-34 and Su-35, which showed themselves well,” said V.Gutenev. “Until 2023-2024 on the Su-57 is not supposed to install the engine of the second stage, the test of which has just started, it is” Product 30 “, and despite the fact that our car is much cheaper (according to my estimates, 2.5 times , than foreign analogues of the 5th generation), but still it is much more expensive and requires more fine services in comparison with the Su-34 and Su-35, “added V.Gutenev.
“Therefore, I agree with the opinion of Yuri Ivanovich (Borisov), according to which we already have experience, when thanks to reasonable technical policy we actually jumped through the generation, saving the budget to a considerable extent,” he said.
“We were probably able to clarify a number of possible and accompanying data on the ability of the F-22 and F-35 to detect our aircraft in the short-term stay of our Su-57s in Syria in February this year – telemetry provided a significant reason for their improvement,” – said V.Gutenev.
“Therefore, the concentration (effort) in the transitional, 6th generation, it seems to me, would be much more appropriate, and the 5th generation should serve in a small-series variant to develop technical tasks that would allow on the one hand to capitalize in foreign markets the costs incurred on this machine, and on the other hand – to improve the system (of prospective aircraft), “V.Gutenev is sure.
“This is an extremely rational and correct approach, ensuring a balance between the interests of the defense industry complex and the customer,” he said.
The deputy believes that in the interests of the defense industry it would be “simply enough to form the export image of the Su-57 with the engine of the second stage.”
“This is absolutely correct and pragmatic solution,” he said.

Is this the same issue that I remember happened a long time ago when the thread starter deleted his original post (Joe Asakura) which in turn deleted the thread? Perhaps if the thread starter is not someone who’s likely to have a tantrum and thread delete when articles like below get a bit of attention, or if knuckle draggers could just control their emotions a bit better and not have threads deleted by admins.

http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=485254

Moscow. On July 4. Interfax-AVn – Promising fighter Su-57 it is necessary to consider as excellent aircraft with the export potential, but main efforts must be concentrated during the creation of transitional machine, stated on Wednesday “to Interfax-AVN” the head of the commission of the State Duma for the legal guarantee of development of organizations OPK, the first Vice President of the union of the machine builders of RF Vladimir Gutenev.

“I assume that the fighter of the sixth generation will be the transitional machine between the aircraft, still controlled by man, and in the pilotless intellectual impact complexes (BIUK) – in this case we speak about air BIUK, which can because of their intellect carry out stated problems by the, including sufficiently concentrated groups”, he said, commenting on the statement of the Vice-Premier of Russian Federation of Yuri Borisov, that mass deliveries in VKS of Russia the fighters of the fifth generation Su-57 within the next few years it will not be.

“I am to a considerable degree solidary with the words Yuri Ivanovich (Borisov) apropos of the fact that hardly is worth expecting the concentrated purchases Su-57”, noted V. Gutenev. “With the undoubted merits of this machine we, it is certain, we understand, that the start to program was daN still in 2001, and the implementation of program on a whole series of objective reasons was tightened (originally it was planned in 2006 – 2007 to conduct flight tests, and since 2014 already to supply the troops), in connection with the very dynamic development of technologies – this concerns the systems of electroninc warfare, and new composite materials, and the new opportunities, which allow additive technologies from the point of view of the design reduction of prices of machines”, it established.

“Well, and certainly, this is connected with the fact that we possess the very perfect machines – this Su-34 and Su-35, which themselves appeared well”, noted V. Gutenev. “Up to 2023-2024 on Su-57 is not assumed installation of the motor of the second stage, whose tests only began, this – “article 30”, and without looking at the fact that our machine is considerably cheaper (according to my estimations, 2.5 times, than the foreign analogs of the 5th generation), but nevertheless it considerably more expensive requires thinner services in comparison with Su-34 and Su-35”, added V. Gutenev.

“Therefore I am solidary with the opinion Yuri Ivanovich (Borisov), according to whom we already have an experience, when because of the reasonable technical policy actually they jumped over through the generation, to a considerable degree economizing budget”, he said. “We for sure could within the framework of a short term stay in February of this year our machines Su-57 in Syria refine a number of the possible and associated data according to the ability F-22 and F-35 on the detection of our aircraft – telemetry gave essential occasion for their improvement”, noted V. Gutenev.

“Therefore concentration (efforts) during the transitional, 6th generation, me seems, it would be much more expedient, and the 5th generation must serve in the maloseriynom version finalizing the technical tasks, which would make it possible from one side to capitalize on the outside markets for the expenditures, carried along this machine, and the other side – to improve systems (promising aircraft)”, it were confident V. Gutenev.

“This is – the extremely rational and correct approach, which ensures the balance between the interests of defense-industrial complex (OPK) and customer”, it counts. Deputy assumes that in the interests OPK it would be “sufficient simply to form export appearance Su-57 with the engine of the second stage”. “This is – the absolutely accurate and pragmatic solution”, it is confident.

Will need to wait until the new thread gets started so we can get back to the discussion around the shocking admission of program failure by Russian officials.

Our less…. intellectual posters can get back to their personal attacks again, get reported, thread deleted and around we go again.

if we’re talking about the ability of the f-35 to perform defensive jamming with no loss of radar function then it’s absolutely possible. As the aircraft has a passive RCS roughly 1/2000th of a loaded legacy airframe such as a Rafale, only a tiny fraction of the power is needed to conceal it.

The radar can operate a thinned array of just a few TRMs (enough to provide sufficient directivity) with only a fraction of 1% decrease in power and gain. The thinned array of elements assigned to jamming could operate any time as required for cancellation or deceptive jamming and could be queued by the ASQ’s receiver or TRM receivers operating in full-duplex. The radar (which would usually operate with some spare margin for power) could compensate for the minute power loss by reducing its margin very slightly.

TRMs can be full duplex and transmit on one frequency while receiving on another simultaneously, adding a great deal of flexibility for jamming while searching.

The other advantage of the passive stealth is that as long as it has transmitters with wide bandwidth, it can cover far more frequencies simultaneously as it requires fewer transmitters for each.

This has been out a while but a couple very interesting new capabilities coming up, certainly for the helmet:

– Helmet to implement optical tracking in conjunction with the existing head track capability. Can see this being used for queuing weapons during high G, close in missile, guided bullets and laser applications later on.
– Visor uses transparent OLEDs within the visor itself now rather than projected image. Green glow pretty much gone.
– The “software aircraft” concept with agile practices is really starting to show its advantages. Pilots didn’t like the amount of clutter they had to switch off during landings, so a simple “de-clutter” function was implemented by the devs so pilots can switch to their preferred symbology settings for different circumstances at the flick of one switch. Willing to bet all of a pilot’s presets for the entire aircraft are stored within their helmet so they don’t need to perform any reconfiguration in each aircraft they get in, either that or the helmet provides the pilot’s ID and the aircraft downloads the presets from the ALIS DB when the pilot plugs in.
– Re: Red Flag/Northern Edge where they achieved a “releasable” 24:1 kill ratio, the statement was “We killed everything” using block 3i. Block 3f is far more capable than 3i.
– Commonality between variants is 80-85%

1. Phone gives brain cancer
2. I said IF Dassault percieved…
3. So should Dassault have participated in the Norwegian competition? The Korean competition?

To general idea of business when you consider your product/service to be competitive is to compete hard wherever you get the opportunity.

Fact is dassault are offering a poor man’s version of the f-35s mission capabilities at a higher price. Double inferior.