Wag!
Yes I know it’s Easter Sunday, thats why I had to take the wife out for the day instead of going flying, but what display was it?:cool:
Nighthawk,
Just because the Lightning is allowed to fly in South Africa doesn’t make it any safer, and doesn’t necessarily make it right. Maybe the South African Authorities have different safety standards than the UK and, South Africa has a whole lot more open spaces for an aircraft to go down in than the UK.
As somebody has already said, the Lightning didn’t have a particularly good safety record in RAF service, even with a bottomless pit of cash and manpower being thrown at it, and relentless training at the taxpayers expense. Things are different in the civilian world in terms of how much gets spent on an aircraft before the owners lose interest.
Just imagine the outcry if a Lightning (or any other permit warbird for that matter) crashed into a public area, maybe injuring members of the public. Maybe the CAA are just addressing this concern?
Would you like to make the decision to allow it to fly and have your name on it when things went wrong? Maybe end up in a court answering awkward questions from a barrister who doesnt know 2/10ths of **** all about aircraft, about why you allowed that aircraft to fly?
Its a tough call, and I’m sure there’s a lot more to it that just allowing it to fly or not.
[Apologies for yet another thread being turned around to talk about the Lightning….]
:rolleyes:
Looks very much like Chris Bevan standing there, but I’m not sure he ever flew MH434..
For me it would have been a Javelin, or a Dh Hornet..
Talking of SR-71s, I was driving past Mildenhall one morning at a ridiculously early time to see an SR-71 getting airborne….And it was gone. Another time I got to see a U-2 fly as well. This was at a time when both the UK & US Governments were denying that the aircraft were based in the UK.
See, Governments were lieing then too!
The late Martin Sargeant, at Rochester in 2000 or 2001. The office block looks like one at Chatham, which if taken with a long lens would appear closer to Rochester than it really is.
As for the event? Well, the BAe open day?
If not Rochester, It’s got to be Kenley……..
So would I, thats one of the reasons for the question. As ‘New build’ aircraft, do they qualify for operating on a Permit to Fly, or do they have to conform to any standard Cert of Airworthiness?
I think Tony’s point here was the lack of variety at OW shows, caused partly by CAA concerns over invited pilots (rather than regular Shuttleworth ones) flying occasional displays in visiting aircraft
Sorry to be picky, but this is not so! A Civilian display pilot has to hold a valid CAA Display Authorisation to fly at ‘public’ flying displays in the UK. If he/she has a valid DA, then he/she can fly at any public flying display that wants to book him (or her).
However, who gets to fly at Shuttleworth (or Duxford et al) is really down to the Flying Display Director (and no doubt the Chief Pilot also gets a vote). The CAA have no input as to who flies in what shows…..so long as they are correctly qualified.
Right Airbedane?
CAA issues over ‘irregular’ display pilots
Are we talking about ‘Mercenary’ types here. A band of rough looking chaps wandering around the country frightening the local women and drinking all the beer??
Far from it, I have it on good authority that the CAA air display gang have a lot of respect for the pilots of Shuttleworth..The rules of safe display flying don’t necessarily mean boring flying!
So don’t go dissin ’em, as they say in the wilds of Laaandaan!
Historic Aircraft Collection do a lot of proms displays, so probably them.
Accident reports are usually published in the country where the accident happened. The Spanish are dragging their heels somewhat compared to the UK.
Tank Soldier,
PM me with your e-mail address and I’ll send you a copy of the Canberra video clip. Not sure how to attach it to the forum.
Ewan
The Speedtwin was invented and built by Peter Phillips. Now sadly no longer with us, he was a long term Tiger Club display pilot, solo BA4B display pilot (G-AWPZ) in the 70s and IIRC, was also the Britten Norman Demo pilot 70s and 80s.
I think it’s based down in Kent with a couple of chaps who intend to promote & market it again. Bill Blair-Hickman (Hawker Hunter Aviation – Scampton and long term Hunter Display pilot) also flies it.
Pyros are an excellent idea, but remember that all of the grass area at DX is used for aircraft movements. The last thing the IWM want to do is to spend a week clearing the grass of bits of pyro, and filling in the holes. And it burns the grass! As it is now, the airfield is 100% servicable on the Monday morning after Legends.
Food – I agree could do with some changes. But bear in mind that the caterers are only passing on the high charges levied by the IWM for their pitch (Why should they pay for you to eat?) Even food in the pilot’s and guest’s tent is priced a lot higher for those without free tickets. Why not do the ‘english’ thing and take a picnic? A lot cheaper, even at Sainsbury’s prices. And, you are eating food that has to please the masses rather than a quarter pounder greaseburger cooked by a greasy bloke from Rochdale who had just had a crap and neglected to wash his hands afterwards! (In case of sensitivity and PC, no offence meant or intended to Rochdale or greasy blokes, just illustrating a point!)
I’d also stop the commentators from talking – no matter who they are, they all talk out of their r$e sometimes, some more than others.
Music – we have music, its called aircraft noise:D Nothing else compares.
Stands – theres an awful lot of tat to be had at Duxford (or any UK display). Restrict stands to those relevant to a flying display (i.e No cuddly toys or fondue sets).
Aircraft – Polikarpovs, Red Bull Corsair, More French warbirds, anything to surprise the masses. Definately NOT the Red Barrows or any other Fast jets. And no more Utterly Butterly Stearmans, PLEASE!!!!!!
Agreed that Legends should stay with the current format – it’s why people go.
Thems me thoughts:p
MOTF,
The reason the datum has been moved to the west is solely to keep the aircraft away from the local population (or whinging nimbys as some call them!) of Duxford Village. Without their ‘support’, Duxford’s display days are numbered and in these days of people moaning about everything under the sun and having a captive audience from the local councils and authorities, it had to happen. Talking of which, I think some of the people who frequent this forum (not you, MOTF) seem to have acquired similar whinging ways…..:confused:
Fuji,
Yes, thanks for putting me right. I of course should have mentioned everyone at TFC and all the other organisations for putting the show on as well as Larks:cool: