MunsAh but you forget anylist be it false that even provides a modicum of increasing operational levels even though its ~ 5 Mi-35’s must be taken a gospel truth. Its rare to see anything be operationally inducted nowadays….
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If you don’t get through there try Musharraf himself!
Musharraf!
What u don’t know his address?
islamabad or thereabouts
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MunsI thought we established on the first page, that numbers are dubious at best from Flight International. Are there any other sources where PAF has taken delivery of Hinds? Can’t find any…
And indcidentally…uve posted the news before about the SAAB awacs arriving on the first page as well…
Now back to wishlists for f-16’s block 60’s, AMRAAMS, and Erieye etc..
MunsI think people maybe confused due to teh fact that many claimed the LCA was BETTER then teh gripen, but now the IAF may be ordering a plane which is supposedly inferior to its own home grown product
Yes opinions of many on the forum and for reasons debated before, BUT the point many on the forum especially pakistanis is the point of understanding WHY the IAF is buying 126 planes when the Tejas is coming online. It seems in their view that the order will effectively signal the deathbell for the LCA and end another indigenous project. At least thats what they feverently hope and pray to gain some a little leeway for force projections…after all 126 gripens or mirage might not be sooo bad against an equally or better homemade fighter which India might be able to churn out in the hundreds…if needs be….
I don’t know whats hard to understand as members have pointed out reapeatedly before…Threre are over 300+ Migs to be replaced in the next few years and the IAF is thinking of increasing squadrons…they have already stated they’re requirements for 220+ Tejas but as we’ve seen the initial operational squadron will take to the air in 2007. Indeed 126 Bison have had to be upgraded to make up for the shortfall. HAL already has its hands full with a bulk of orders being the MKI, Dhruvs’s, Jag’s, Bison UPG etc and would find it hard pressed to ramp up production for the Tejas to make up the numbers.
In the meanwhile the IAF is still phasing out Migs yearly and needs 126 multirole fighters to fill the gap that will exist in yrs to come. Rather simple isn’t it? The Tejas is progressing as fast as it possibly can, its crossed 300+ flights, 80+ being supersonic, its got a host of features that will be validated early next year with weapons integration. Numerous enhancements are being validated with the MMR, EW, health monitoring systems, etc.
Indeed the amount of research and industries developed for the LCA have been staggering…including DRDO, NAL, HAL, ADA, ISRO, BARC, BEL and various universities and IIT’s etc (anybody still have that map?) around the country. The Tejas im sorry to say is an exceptional aircraft and will be made in the hundreds ( sorry to say for some ) but not in the same timeline the IAF requires while its phasing a couple of hundred Migs….hence the order….
Again :
A good overview from ADA :
Press Release
MunsThe MMR has been quite extensively tested on the Avro Hack and is set to be integrated along with PV2 which is the production variant, PV2 is set to fly in Feb and weapon testing will be begin simultaneously.
Visit : ADA
http://www.ada.gov.in/index.html
MunsErr come to think of it…remove the Canards on a few aircraft out there and they all start to look like 70’s Mirages. We all know that HAL/ADA performed extensive wind tunnel testing to the effect that they were extremely happy with the cranked, compound hybrid delta showing Canards here offered very little advantage. Indeed the same wing design is to makes its way onto the MCA as well… Not to mention future versions mainly the Naval and Twin seat will add on LEVCONS too the front…indeed the Tejas is already far ahead of the curve…
MunsExcellent Pics Harry, care to indulge how you came across them? Chase aircraft? Got any pics from top shots?
Too think 2 more years before the first squadron comes into service….Allez Allez!!!
MunsStealth? Sextuplet FBW? 2 yrs and JF-17 without a confirmed engine fit, glass cockpit, radar, avionics, EW will be better than F-16I?
Anybody want to add more to this, perhaps with a link to confirmed articles please? Seems if you BS hard enough they might be a few folk to lap this up in glee…well not suprising some have already claimed it to be better than the MKI.
For one its disappointing the Tejas has so much open sourced info thats available and updated almost daily…otherwise we’d be hereing any sort of fit into an aircraft thats possible to make it vaguely comparable to the thundaaar!
MunsSigh! As usual some DDM’s missed on some occasional typo’s, incase it required too much processing power pak thunder i think you could have figured out (maybe) that HAL was exporting Dhruv to Israel.
Its not the first time it has been reported, but good to know that the choppers have been manufactured and are awaiting delivery.
Other interesting points are the order of 20 more Tejas and 31 more Dhruv choppers, besides taking up the manfacture of more prototypes of IJT’s Sitara.
I hope the addition of a word makes it much more readable, and perhaps in the future you could refrain yourself from adding one liner cheap shots.
MunsHAL to export indegenously built copter :
Barrackpore: India will export its indegenously built advanced light helicopter ”Israel”, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) chairman Nalini Ranjan Mohanty said.
The first helicopter will be despatched within a month or two, Mohanty told reporters during his visit to HAL branch unit.
”We have got the first choper ready for despatch and the others will be despatched after the agreements are finalised,” he said.
Public Sector Unit (PSU) HAL has sold helicopters to Nepal and also initiated negotiations with Chile, he said.
”We have already fulfilled the domestic demand and achieved the distinction of developing aviation engineering before going into the international market,” he said.
HAL, he said, has already overcome the days of ”crisis” and has become one of the best ten PSUs in the country.
”We have improved our research and development activities and have manufactured ‘Tejas’, which achieved at least 250 successful test flights,” he said.
Indian Air Force (IAF) had already ordered eight ”Tejas” manufactured by HAL, first of which would be inducted to its fleet in 2007-08, he said adding that 20 more will be ordered in phases.
Mohanty also said that HAL had achieved ”international benchmark” for its indegenous design and manufacturing of ”Intermediate Jet Trainers” (IJT).
HAL will start building prototypes of IJT within the next 20 months.
”We are expecting an order of 200 IJTs for the IAF fleet,” he said.
He informed that IAF had also ordered 31 advanced light helicopters ”Dhurav”.
He said he wanted to transform the branch unit into a division in the near future.
The HAL chairman set for Barrackpore branch unit a target of Rs 100 crore annual turnover to transform the branch into a division.
The chairman said the 65-year-old factory had been assigned jobs of modification and repairing of helicopters.
Repairing ”CAT-B” type, including modified version of ‘Cheetah” and ”Cheetak” varieties of copters, would be undertaken while loom fabrication of Sukhoi-30, a Russian model, would shortly be assigned to the factory, the HAL chief said.
The ”Cheetah” had already been fitted with modified engine, he added.
The HAL board also planned to make the Barrackpore unit into a ”centre of excellence” for repairing and overhauling of different types of aircraft propellers.
Mohanty, who was honoured with the Padma Shri, laid the foundation stone for an administrative building of the branch, which has so far beenhoused temporary shelters since 1940.
The new building would be built up on a 7.11 acres of land. The land was made available by the Indian army against the land exchange programme with the HAL headquarters in Bangalore.
MunsSigh seems we’re back to the same culprits bringing up same thick issues when obviously a little research or even looking back in the same thread to find same issues rehashed :
Tiger 01 again you seek to flame when even basic research or checking the last 3 pages of this thread would have given or shown you that the Brahmos is a joint venture by India and Russia. Simply Russia contributions are noted for propulsion While India’s lies in onboard navigation systems, software and guidance. Indeed Brahmos comes form Brahmaputra and Moskva Rivers. Check http://www.Brahmos.com
Indeed you seem to selectively post flames continually when pointed out the obvious…not explained what you mentioned about the Hawk and Migs crashing? And your reasoning for the Marut is plainly daft when Nitin again has taken the time to point out the operational value and history of the Marut.
You are reported for topic flaming and thread diversion, hiding daft comments at the top of various articles doesn’t mean you are contributing positively to the thread.
Phrozenflame care to explain what something else is….perhaps you should go back and read again why the IAF is calling for tenders for 125 aircraft when 300+ Migs are set to retire. The IAF has already stated its requirement for 220+ Tejas LCA’s but that depends on HAL’s ability to churn them out as fast as they are being phased out.
Sigh amazing how the Arjun issue keeps cropping up on the aviation thread, perhaps what the Arjun in production needs is a couple of AL 31FP’s and fly before its good enough for the pakistanis huh? Leave it be please….the Arjun is arguably one of Asia’s finest and will ride all over the al khali….ooops sorry MBT 2000.
In that respect id like make a small change to my last post :got any more distracting one liners you can add here? MFI – 17 (Saab – Scania of Sweden) armed with SD 10’s and tank killing Red Arrow 8 perhaps?
MunsSigh! Must we force feed the trolls? Nitin has already posted the details also previously found on the thread where the Chief of Air Staff has quoted the attrition rate at 0.83/10000 hours and the reincarnated troll refuses to read it.
Goes on to add inane posts about PAF crashes being political ie does musharraf crashes planes strategically, creating deep furrows for crop farming?
And who is upgrading Tu-142?
Google boy google, must you constantly be spoon fed? One link from Bharat Rakshak :
Again from the same March 2004 report, Defense News reported that the Indian Navy then turned directly towards Israeli firms for the upgrade and that the Ministry of Defence would issue two individual RFPs (Requests For Proposals) to Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) and Elbit Systems to tailor a MMA and EW suite for the Tu-142 fleet. The RFPs are expected to be issued by the MoD in April 2004 and proposals are expected to be due within three months. This upgrade is expected to wholly revamp the Tu-142 into a modern maritime recon and electronic warfare aircraft. It is assumed that this has already taken place. By early 2004, the IN had reportedly completed with the refit of a Tu-142M (IN 315) with the Elta EL/M-2022A (V3) radar. The radar replaced the Leninets Korschun system and a comprehensive ELINT and COMINT package, with nose and fuselage mounted V/UHF antennae and an underfuselage P-band antenna farm, was also incorporated. This upgrade is similar to the upgrade package of the IN’s Do-228s and features additional SATCOM, ELINT and EW equipment. It would be interesting to compare the capabilities of the Russian warfare suite with its Israeli counterpart, as the IL-38s are to be upgraded with the Sea Dragon suite.
Google again for more and the Mig 21 question.
Hmm i thought the M2K incorporated Rafale technology? More capable than the MKI? Migs not worth anything….got any more distracting one liners you can add here? Mushaks armed with SD 10’s and tank killing Baktar Shikans perhaps?
MunsSome googling on the MTA project reveals 1st flight by 2008, and to go into production by 2009, delays my plan for an Indian Awacs version, An air – air refuelling version, and a ASW sea dragon for the navy. Looks like might be till 2015 till the above might crop up…nice plane though.
Blurb on MTA : HAL to help Russia build Su-30s for Malaysia : Aug 2003
Blurb on MTA : Wings of the world Aero India 2003
Any takers on a timeline for the Indigenous AWACS and what platform DRDO might try it on? Embraer 145?
More refuellers for now are probably not required and options to buy more IL 78’s are always available, or until MTA refueller comes online.
Any platform ideas to strengthen the IN’s ASW fleet apart from Orions and Atlantiques preferbly turbofan?
MunsWah Wah, Some Cheese with your Whine? They are bashing my stealth Thunder again, Mods! Rules! one liners comments about nothing to add to the match on the Thunder! Straws…we need more Straws for our men…
MunsThe reason why Tejas vs FC1 threads degenerate follows the same plan, Indian members continually bring out valid data and offer multiple govermental sources for the same and thus make a logical analysis to wards exactly what the Tejas will field and the capabilities being built for it. There are multiple websites for the same with flight characteristics updated almost daily. Numerous public companies and universities are involoved in the design and update of the Tejas.
Of course we’ve all rehashed these same issues continually, indeed there is always an IAF news thread and a LCA Tejas thread with the ongoing recent information that pertains to the aircraft. Please check Threads.
When it comes to the Thunder, its pretty obvious about its design specifications, but of course pakistani members are unable to often find valid data from chinese websites and so often degenerates into members making a unseen number of assumptions to try and gain some amount of parity with the Tejas. There is no confirmed glass cockpit, radar, engine, armaments with numerous possiblities of a mix and match as offered by China.
This often leads to speculation of a soon to be composite/titainium formed Thunder, 3 and a half generation, Quad FBW, full glass cockpit, russsian 93/33, armed with grifo 7 radar and soon to be inducted SD 10 and Darter and mupsow and then sltealthy cos its got RAM and if we can strap ATGMs onto it like the Red arrow or baktar shikan we can make it a tank killer and kill the indian army t-90 fleet.
When pointed out to the ridiculousness of such assumptions they immediately go on the defensive claiming why other members try to malign the thunder, its a good aircraft setting up numerous strawmen to distract from the thunder while pulling up numerous dated articles from an open sourced media harshly critical of its own programs to distract back to the Tejas.
Seems to be the ongoing circle that nevers breaks, so lets get back to mix and match on the Thundaaar unless you feel the match isn’t right and you’ll be back to picking on the poor thunder which looks good so it must be decent. Anyone care to partake in this thread diwali?
Munsyeah info on the Dhruv sort of squashes IA for their requirement for a high altitude heli, to their credit though we did read recent reports that they’ve slashed their order to approx 30 in favor of the Dhruv.
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