Same reason Sparrow failed badly in Vietnam?

There is a whole battery of reasons why the R-27 did not work well in Africa, one that could be applied to a whole bunch of AAMs.

it perform worse than sparrow…

how many thousands they pruchase ? 3B sounds very much much too much for trainer plane :confused:

F-102 and F-106 carried missiles internally as a way to reduce drag.

F-106 is amongst the craziest fighter ever…*AIR-2A genie nuclear rocket*

In the west it is commonly presented as a dichotomy between the absolute superiority of ‘western’ values (rarely defined) and cultural relativism. Obviously this is a false dichotomy, but even if one were to accept the basic thesis that ‘west is best’ your point would be well taken: the stridency of the west in promoting its values abroad is precisely what engenders such resistance against those values. Nobody likes being told what to do.

but here is aircraft treat, not political treat nor political threat…:o

Now I am not a fan of the way China does things but you really cannot blame them for a problem that is basically your own making.

Some people say its the popular western culture that won the Cold War, the West’s biggest weapon is its movies, music, art and culture which is invariably copied by emerging economies.

The second issue is when a people try to keep their own culture however unfair it may seem to western educated people like you and me, they are ridiculed. So the Arabs are criticized for treatment of women, Afghans for that their hatred to certain sports. Indians for their weird customs etc.

I cannot blame China or any country for holding onto its roots when there is a constant attack by west on eastern values and belief systems.

but in other forum I follow even in a chinese forum most chinese are polite and rational…. none will compare JF-17 with F-22 (not even with whorenet)…

Didn’t wanted to reply here , becasue this thread is really useless( based on what i can read here ) , but i’ll just say that me i HOPE J-20 will achieve IOC before 2018, just to make the yanks more gealous and be proven wrong once more.:D

Btw , i know the yanks say J-20 won’t get into service before 2018, but MSphere can you point me to the chinese source saying the same ? Thanks.:)

If you want ur squadron flight a plane that might have unknown crack, have no radar, have malnutrited engines, have avionic unwired then the plane can have IOC before 2018….
unfortunately high brass of PLAAF dont want this so they put optimistic date of 2018 and still expect their precalculated few years delay…

Supercruise is part (at least partially) of the stealth requirement…
The F-22 can drop SDBs (about 8 of them it seems) with independent targeting,
It’s supposed to cost less on logistic etc, not on acquisition cost (we knew from the start it wasn’t going to happen).

yea. supercruise give multiple advantage of long range speed, range, and dont have to use afterburner (which make ur plane blip big) when thing getting hot….

On one hand it is good, because by that time lots of things would have matured.
The missiles would have been mature. The propulsion would be the Gen next engines. AESA would have been mature and probably with new semiconductor materials. Avionics would be mature. And probably would have been remedied against EMP of 21st December 2012 superflare from the Mayan hall of fame. But it is really far away. On the other hand in that time frame the aggressor may no longer be the F22s or F35s but some lifeless drone piloted by some gamer freak half way round the earth:eek:.

I still beleived in piloted aircraft…
with UCAV/piloted drone…. one huge jammer aircraft and all your drones are dead or even turned against you…..