No, but you jumped to conclusions, which is ALWAYS a bad mistake on these forums.
People from all over the world and from all walks of life post here, so accusing someone you don’t know of being anti-something without any real proof to back it up simply makes you look like you have a chip on your shoulder.
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OK then, fair enough….
If not next flanker customer, at least they could be future GAZ, Ural & AK 10X customer :diablo:
And before you make a dumbass accusation that I’m racist you should STFU and remember you know nothing about my personal circumstances and links to that potentially great country 😡
Sorry then, of course I dont know you if you dont say it first :diablo:
And that “potentially great country” is my country….
with same amount of SSM and SAM?
better have two rather one of those ex van speijk class…. will cover much larger areas.. at least, these so expensive ships are new built… 😀
BUT what happened is a pair of overexpensive corvette (that cost the same with 3 Talwar frigates) replacing 6 ex Van-Speijk 😮 😡 :rolleyes:
Their incident with Malaysian warships some time back might have something to do with this. But I agree, this is a total waste of money. More patrol boats to put a lid on their piracy problem would make so much more sense…. Not as if they could maintain subs in warfighting condition anyway.
We already keeps our old 209 at war condition for a decade…. 😉
Im more concern about wasting money on everexpensive Sigma then thse subs… 🙁 a pair of corvette wont replace the decommisioned ahmad yani frigates
To take action to stop piracy the most important thing is you need to want to end it, when many pirates are either protected by military officers or profit sharing with the relevant TNI units in their area don’t expect many miracles.
What a baseless claim…..
proof :confused: you just have anti Indonesian sentiment…. 😡
My proposal:
1 Kuznetsov
2 Kirov
3-4 Slava (if they decide to buy the lonely Lobov from Ucraine )
14 New DDGs of 9000t
24 20380(corvettes/frigates)
30 Scorpions missile crafts
10 1124 (corvetts, I mean to keep the newest)
where is the sovremenny and udaloy ? :confused:
Also Scorpion is still in drawing board right ?
I think the navy already have molniya as missile crafts
Don’t be so ironic, is obvious that the 22350 has two versions, 4500 and 8000t and I dont, know why you hate so much the veliki. The S-300 of veliki is much greater protection for the fleet than the VLS sthil of the new 22350. 😎 Is rumored that 22350 will have 16 vls sthil and 8 Yakhonts, and there is a comfusion about the displacent. Veliki is a diamont for the fleet, and unfortunately 22350 seems to be a huge coast vessel, a krivak replacement, pleace tell my your opinion about my proposal for the russian fleet? Do you agree that the fleet needs a destroyer sized vessel with air defence capability? Probably with navalized S-400? Are you satisfied with the VLS sthil only?
Hi… sorry if u feel offended….
Actually velikhy is my favorite ship (anothers are Slava class)…. I just want to say that maybe the new ship contains more sensitive stuff than Velikhy (which is 20 years old ship and we know most about it).
I LOVE the idea of navalized S-400. I always wonder why Russia/Soviet give only little attention in their long range naval SAM. Merely a handful Velikhy and Slava cant fight all enemy air asset and Sovet/Russia dont have CAP cept a dozen of Su-33 from its sole carrier. I event want to see navalized S-300/S-400 on destroyer sized ship :dev2: .
As for 22350 spec I know nothing. Better wait the real stuff touching water than speculate. TOo many project changed or even cancelled in Russia nowadays 🙁
I want to ask why Russians make this project too “secret” is just a 4000T common frigate!
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You are not a Russian then….
Thing dont have to be big to be a secret. In fact, the new ship could probably have much much more sensitive stuff than a huge Pyotr Velikhy…. Today technology is like that…..
OH and if it really secret no one can explain you why…. cept he want FSB/GRU to kill him
BMP-T have Kornet,wich comes with alternative termobaric warhead with 5km range.And although TOS-1 is one of my favourite war machines,his task is completely different than that ahead of BMP-T.
The spec is changed..
The latest (if not final) BMPT carry Ataka-T instead Kornet. The range is higher than 5 IIRC, less capable HEAT and there are thermobaric variant.
Not sure when Russia will finally really field it…
The new vehicles BMPT and 2S25 is not yet operational today (tell me if there is official news said otherways)
JSF price’s higher than F-22 ?? isnt JSF made because F-22 tooo expensive ?
I remember the planned price figure for any export JSF would be around 60-80US$ M so it can compete market with Sukhois flanker/PAKFA or chinese J-12… at least that was the plan
Technically, the only grudge I have against JSF is that it being a Yak-141 rip off and they even bought some design from Yakoklev, and pay the OKB very cheap