Are these the same Flankers that Carlo Kopp on ATA is always talking about – quite a bogeyman to be afraid of, a 16 planes altogether?

The RAAF are probably not as concerned as Carlo…:rolleyes:

IIRC Carlo talk about advanced Flanker (Su-35 or 30MKM thing) not Indonesian one…..
I dont remember clearly in which article… its been a long time since I read carlo’s aricle 😀

Korea, and Turkey defense industry development so far already show consistent government support so far. It’s Indonesia that I (as Indonesian) worried off, since the ‘murky’ Indonesian politics after this ‘democracy’ made long term Government support can be questionable. But for KF-X it won’t matter since Indonesia is only junior partner anyway.

Korea have enough technological based even to developed their own nuclear power plant. I believe building 4.5 gen aircraft is not something that really to far fetch.

Indonesia aircraft industry is much older than what most indonesian remember…in the late 1930s there is an aircraft maker in Indonesia already and if Abdurrahman Saleh not dead in late 40s we might have our air industry embrio much faster. LAPIP already there in 1950s-60s and its product even appear in Janes Aircraft at those time (the kunang/kumbang family)…then nurtanio out and habibie in we finally have a serious one. I hopes PTDI being its incarnation will survive…Hopes that govt will gave support like now. Most of indonesian re still nationalist and to develop strategic industry is good for election :diablo:

You DO know that the Marines are technicaly part of the US Navy right? And that it was the Marines requirement for VSTOL that has really hurt the F-35 program?

even without vstol req. F-35 probably still hurt :diablo:

$192 million for 2x Su-27SK and 2x Su-30MKK – $48mil a pop
$355 million for 3x Su-27SKM and 3x Su-30MK2 – $59mil a pop
$473 million for 6x Su-30MK2 and loads of spares for the whole fleet
$56 million on A-A and A-G weapons

The unit price of these is not exactly cheap. I suspect this has much to do with few things:

– unusually low amounts
– upon having been denied ex-USAF F-16C/D fighters, TNI-AU don’t have many options
– they buy the fighters on Russian debt

correction on the first
those 192 million including 2x Mi-35 Hind @ about $15mn each together with its equipment and sparepart (Ataka missile, S80 rocket and all)

government are really idiot buy purchasing small number of plane in a lot of batch they say it to save and control the budget actually they waste money as ordering and packaging price is soaring and each time there are new contract with all kind of whatsoever fee grr….

Yeah, but they couldn’t build an industry from scratch today anymore than Finland could. Sweden is in the game today because they were in the game 60 years ago (when the bar one had to clear for entry was a hell of a lot lower) and have enjoyed strong governmental support over the entire period.

That’s not to take anything away from Sweden’s achievement in still being in the game or to suggest that Korea/Turkey et al. can’t develop their own domestic industries to a high level, but there’s a reason why Sweden is an outlier.

heh…..
there is no reason why Sweden is an outlier….
governmental support…. which aerospace do not need strong gov’t support ? boeing ? well just look at recent USAF tanker stuff. and everyone knows pentagon is a blackhole sucking every money and pour it to the boeing/lockmart dimension. Airbus ? it have support of several gov’t of several state. Dassault ? when last time french purchased a non-dassault fighter ? Russia.. pretty well known all MiGs and Sukhois there

That’s what I heard from DI team in here after they being briefed by KAI team. I will not be surprised if KF-X final design will be some kind more stealthy twin engined FA-50.

And nothing wrong with that, since it will be sophisticated enough from 2020 + environment.

will the plane have internal bay or not ?

The sized of one nation economy sometimes is not relevant to how big or how advanced their military is or will be. Even now some Indonesian parliament members and NGO’s still questions the increased Military budget for 2 reasons:

1. They don’t see immediate external threat to Indonesia,
2. (This especially from foreign funded NGO’s), They afraid bigger military spending will only increased corruption from Indonesian Military brass.

even if there is we pretend not to avoid self fulfiling prophecy….the ‘there will be no war in the next ten years or so’ is the same mantra spelled every years ever since the beginning of Suharto era 😀

So 2 years from first flight to Initial Operational Capability ? Someone needs to get their head checked if they feel that such a timeframe is possible for an almost 5th generation fighter.

Korean are rapid in develop anything….

except it have a cloaking shield, able to hypercruise and entering hyperspace it is not a 6th gen figher 😡