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  • in reply to: Dassault Super Mirage ACF – prototype picture !!! #2645145
    Deino
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    and here are the side views of the Super Mirage !!!

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2665949
    Deino
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    … and the final version with a new wing as a real “what-if” !!! 😀

    http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/1_Shenyang_J-13_Serie_%2B_Superwing.jpg

    Deino

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2666243
    Deino
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    And here the second try …. with an uprated engine … and air intakes like other forth generation fighters ! 😀

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2666428
    Deino
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    Here it is …. my first try !

    I just tried to catch the lines of the original proposal but “cleaned” them up to look more like a fighter for the late ’80s or ealy ’90s !

    Any comments, Deino :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2667380
    Deino
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    And finally a model of an unknown :confused: fighter – looks a bit like an early J-10 study …. but also a bit like this strange J-13 version !

    Any comments ????

    O.k. … lets give me just some time and I present You all my own first J-13 drawing ….

    Deino :p

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2667385
    Deino
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    … what makes me wonder is this strange “fat” belly …. 😡

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2667411
    Deino
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    and then 3-side “drawings” of these versions !

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2667417
    Deino
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    Then this is an interesting CG of two different versions 😮

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2667430
    Deino
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    And then there are some from the AF-wing-page !!! …. I think they look quite o.k. but for my opinion too much of a MiG-23 derivative 🙁

    in reply to: Shenyang J-13 – a fighter project for the ‘90‘s #2667434
    Deino
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    If I remember right this is from the same source like the J-11-drawing !

    in reply to: Shenyang J-11 (original) – Mirage F.1 look alike #2669670
    Deino
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    Thanks You …. esp. for Your suggestions !

    I think now I can start building 😀 …. I will keep You informed !

    Deino

    in reply to: Shenyang J-11 (original) – Mirage F.1 look alike #2670587
    Deino
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    you might want to lengthen the fuselage a bit and change the landing gears. The wings are probably low mount like the J7s so you’ll use the same type of landing gears…boy this sure starts to look like the trainer that just came out, with bigger side intakes 🙂

    Hmmm … I wouln’t put the wings lower than now … because I just wanted to retain as much of the “original” sketch !

    The argument with the more or less pointier nose …. :confused: :confused: For my opinion it looks quite o.k. right now …. and I also did not wante to use to much “element” of the later J-13 just because it’s an earlier design !

    Deino 😉

    in reply to: Shenyang J-11 (original) – Mirage F.1 look alike #2671093
    Deino
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    Here it is … my second try !!! 😀

    in reply to: Shenyang J-11 (original) – Mirage F.1 look alike #2671150
    Deino
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    Haven’t you hear of rule area ?
    Your widening of the rear fuselage is an aerodynamic blasphema !!!

    Hi seb92100 !!! YES, I’ve allready heard abaot area ruling … but it was’nt my intention to draw a 100% accurate 3-side drawing, but just a “better” – for my opinion – one than the more crude scetch of the J-11.

    Cobato is right, that it looks very much like a Mirage F-1 as I used a scale drawing and “modified” it just wirh Corel-draw (!) … 😀

    Nice job Deino! Would like to see it again after you apply some of Crobato’s suggestions.

    One of the things you might look at is the J-13 which began development a few years after the J-11 in 1971 and might have been a descendent or at least might have incorporated some designs from the J-11. The J-13 was also expected to use the Spey.

    Jack Collins’ “Chinese Fighter Development” article at CDF has a rendering of the J-13.

    Thanks for Your post 😉 … regarding the suggested changes I’m allready at work …. but please give me some time !

    The J-13 You mentioned I know … it will be one of my future “what-if” modeling projects … if I’ll find some time !

    But back to the J-11 again … nothing more than this old scetch ????

    Deino 🙂

    in reply to: Shenyang J-11 (original) – Mirage F.1 look alike #2671622
    Deino
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    You know Deino, your version still looks too much like a Mirage F.1.

    I would have the design modded to incorporate more of Chinese style aerodynamic cues we have seen in actual older Chinese planes.

    For example, the ventral fin should be either bigger or put two of them.

    Put wing fences on top of the wing like a JH-7.

    I would lessen the size of the intakes to half, make it more like the JH-7’s intakes, which happens to be similar to the Jaguar as well.

    I might clip part of the top rudder to give it a more “Russian” look.

    I would increase or make prominent the size of the structural spine running across the length of the aircraft. Give it more beef for structure or space for holding fuel.

    Make the nose rounder and angle it downward like a JH-7 or a Phantom’s.

    Make the thing holding the back parachute under the rudder and over the engine nozzle considerably bigger.

    I would put wing tip rails for hardpoints.

    I would put rails on the tips of the elevators too like a MiG-21 or a J-8II.

    Now get back to me if the finished product looks more “Red” or not.

    Thanks for Your suggestions … If I’ll find some time I will try to modify it !

    But gegarding the “too much Mirage F-1 look alike look” (funny word 😀 ) I just wanted to use as much of the “original” plan and just change the intake !

    Anyway THANKS for Your suggestions, Deino 🙂

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