If 4 wars couldn’t solve the problem, I bet the 5th one wouldn’t be any different. Everyone thinks wars are easy. Not too far away is US Army in its 18th year of fighting in Afghanistan, and they have the luxury to run back 10,000 miles across the ocean which India doesn’t. They issues and differences are too ingrained to be resolved either through dialogue or war.
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Agreed and even more I find if dangerous and most annoying that as usually these days some certain arm-chair analysts and strategists condemn the Western “media obsessed with the balancing act and preventing war.” aka admit themselves they “[The new India does] do not want to prevent war at any costs” but most likely they have no idea what an all out war between India and Pakistan would mean for both sides.

A pity that tells more about these certain members and I only hope their wishes are not shared by the majority of the Indian peoples and politicians … :apologetic:

There is video out there supposedly showing a JF-17 in pursuit of a MKI. I have seen it in much higher resolution, and the first fighter is most definitely not a MKI. My first impression was it was two JF-17s, flying close to the LOC. I’ll try to dig more info as to where exactly that vid was recorded over the coming days and will share.

Yes I know and in fact this is a prime example of the lies and propaganda – in this case by some Pakistani fan boys – who are so much blinded by the national ego that they now deliberately ignore these new facts even if a few posts before they were hyping it as proof for an MKI-kill.

This is my post at twitter.
https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1102275309309739014

My point however is not to support blindly one side against the other one; I do not even favour one … I only hate dumb nationalistic chest-bumping and lies as you can find in so many post all over the regular social media, so that is most difficult to find out what is fact and what is fake. This one is clearly a fake but still does not proof an MKI was shot down nor that none was shot and the same for the F-16.

Being the first recorded F-16 kill in history, you’d think it would send ripples across the world of aviation. But curiously, Western defence experts maintained complete silence as the impact of what Varthaman had accomplished took the wind out of the F-16’s fanboys.

Pardon to play the devil’s advocate, but so far and regardless all dirty propaganda from both sides, the only CONFIRMED loss or kill is a MiG-21 Bison. Neither the Su-30MKK as claimed by the Pakistani nor the F-16 as claimed by the Indians is confirmed.

i can fully understand both sides that in mind of nationalistic fewer the sense to facts get lost, but again, so far none of these claims was confirmed by evidence and pictorial facts nor by any independent third party. :confused:

Can you explain? Iam not familiar with chinese equipments

Both are simply different classes of aircraft: The J-10 is larger than a F-16, whereas the JF-17 is a small low-cost fighter.

[USER=”959″]Deino[/USER] : On the front facia of the pod, I see a circular inlet* with thick lip (converge with the fact that there is no glass – anti-icing system). Inside that inlet there is a rectangular item with a certain thickness where 3 rounded protubering dome-like spots are placed apart.

This for the physical description. Both pictures doesn’t seems to show the exact same unit (internal items are slightly different).

*more a free stream opening since it does not seems that there is any outlet.

Thanks a lot for your highly detailed description and even if I disagree it’s always interesting to get otherone’s ideas.

Thanks

this is a Chinese source translated into Russian

But the original Chinese source is not more official than anything published at the AFM, AI and CA concerning any other military project.

I can easily say No to that since there is no glass windows 😉

There’s no glass window?? You must indeed see thinks some others don’t see and don’t see things that are most obvious to others: Then please explain what’s the aperture in front of this pod?

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My dear Deino, as you know there is a world beyond China 😉 Those canoe shapes appeared also on the 57 and have been discussed since on both jets.

But that does not make it correct … especially while it ignores simple facts.

I’m well aware that there is a living beyond China, but in all honesty without arrogance: While the discussion on the Su-57’s shoulder bays might be useful and legit, to assume the same for the J-20, only since the front part is similar is plain stupid.

Anyone who at least lists several options and considers reasons pro and con can easily understand – let alone see from the countless images available – that they are too short, too shallow to hold any current Chinese AAM, namely the PL-10. Additionally there is no opening mechanism up to the front, they would end up in the MLG bay … again, it’s plain ridiculous to assume they could hold an AAM.

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