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  • in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2372572
    Deino
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    Thanks … by the way some new images – albeit with these damn stupid stamps on it ! ๐Ÿ˜ก …. and a happy new year of the snake to all !

    Deino

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2241553
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    mig29 is nice but can it carry like this all on one engine?
    http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6709/dic9xrh3.jpg

    Be careful with such arguments, espicially since this image is simply a stupid PSed-Fake !

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2241713
    Deino
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    Do You have the exact date ??

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2243223
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    in reply to: Y20 thread #2247230
    Deino
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    Reading this thread it sometimes feels like the blind discussing their favorite color. Many jump quickly on conclusions throwing in buzzwords like “composite” and “supercritical profile”. But only very few seem to have a clue.

    Sorry, but – as one of those without a clue like You say – I have that strange feeling You like to keep us “stupid” or You enjoiy that feeling too much of “having a clue” alone ! ๐Ÿ˜ก

    Deino

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2247266
    Deino
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    When was the second flight ???

    in reply to: Iran to Unveil New Fighter Tomorrow – Qaher 313 ??? #2247299
    Deino
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    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Honestly, how desperate must one be to think that anyone takes this model seriously ????

    in reply to: Iran to Unveil New Fighter Tomorrow – Qaher 313 ??? #2247738
    Deino
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    Or this model …. ?

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2248240
    Deino
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    Honestly I like them ๐Ÿ˜Ž … but anyway they doesn’t matter.

    Just in short: Even if I have no estimations, I would be very carefully in using wiki-data.

    My problem is, that ..

    1. I can’t think of a similar sized more modern (composites, wing, …) aircraft with the same powerplant having such a low capability. (I can’t think that the Chinese are so stupid to make such a fuss only for 25t.)

    2. You say “Your estimations”, “it is significantly larger” … please share Your thoughts, since either I’m too stupid or You are wrong, esp. if You ignore to answer to a specific question. It is not smaller and why do You calculate from the wiki-data such a low capability ?

    Deino

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2248581
    Deino
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    Maybe because it is significantly larger?

    Schorsch, please !!!! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ ๐Ÿ˜ฎ … simply compare the dimensions ! It has surely a wider fuselage, but overall it is surely not “significantly larger” ?

    I’m not sure with what images You make Your estimations … :confused:
    Deino

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2248620
    Deino
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    Agreed, but could You please explain why You estimate the Y-20′ OEW to be significantly higher than the Il-76, which results in Your estimated/guessed limited margin between MTOW and OEW that it probably can only carry 20t ???

    Deino :confused: :confused:

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2249725
    Deino
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    If the margin between MTOW and OEW is so limited that you can only carry 20t, it becomes basically useless. But we neither know MTOW or OEW, but one can make an educated guess …

    But just one question … why do You expect the capacity of only 25 t ??? It uses the same engines like the Il-76MD, it has a “similar, maybe not much improved or more modern aerodynamics” … so why sยดdo You expect it to fall so low in comparison to the Candid ?

    Deino

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2250348
    Deino
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    Why?
    China could by any Russian type and have it in 2 years. The Y-20 will need probably 6 years or more to EIS.

    At what price ??? An even longer dependence, most likely again the same problems with deliveries, cost, …. see several other similar contracts or the already done Il-76/-78 contract some years ago. ๐Ÿ™

    What is so aerodynamically advanced on the Y-20? Better wing profile helps drag at design Mach number. Apart from that, I can’t see a big improvement.

    Even if my layman-eya can’t judge that like You, but is that necessary to be a revolulionary design ?? Like I said I probably can’t decide if the aerodynamics are much more advanced or only ‘on par’, but actuall I can’t think of performances lower or worse than the Il-76MD.

    I think the Y-20 will be severely MTOW-limited until it gets a new engine. Basically useless. This indicates that the Chinese aiming at a rather long test campaign.

    Yes, but again, why means limited = “basically useless” ?? Especially if it offeres similar or only slightly better – as You say – performances even with the interim engines and only slightly improved airframe. Anyway I can’t think of lower performance in comparison to the standard Il-76MD, especially since it uses the same engines … :confused:

    IMO the most important aspect is the wider fuselage …

    Deino

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2251616
    Deino
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    ๐Ÿ˜€

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2251733
    Deino
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    Somewhere down the line there has to be “stealth bomber”…

    A strategic bomber seems a while away, if we’re lucky we might have “long range stealth striker” though.

    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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