MkIX and MkXVI are both Type 361 airframes. I think all the 16s had the cut down rear fuselage, but only some of the 9s had it.
One af the biggest visible differences is that the MkXVI had the Packard Merlin 266. I think this had an integrated intercooler/header tank that required a slight bulge in the top engine cowl.
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I think the wood parts of Vampires and Venoms extend only back to the wing root / air intake areas. David Collins would know this.
I would have thought the carcass temperatures of the J44 and similar turbofans would be lower than an Ghost. The burners on the old engine are visible on the outside. They are buried inside a turbofan, and the bypass air runs outside them. Add to that it’s burning a hell of a lot less fuel, so it ought to be a bit cooler. The jet pipe would probably be a similar temperature.
Sorry !… We’ve hijacked this thread ! 😀
To Speedy, re-engining something like a Venom with its centrifugal flow turbojet to a more modern axial flow engine such as say a J-85 or CJ610 (i am aware of the lower thrust output between these and the Ghost, just used as an example) would be a massive engineering undertaking at best, to say nothing of the difficulties in getting such extensive mods approved by the relevant aviation authority.
To the kind of people who restore and maintain classic warbirds or design new aircraft, it’s not an overwhelming job. It’s another engineering job. Sure… the certification issues would just about rule it out in UK/Europe. If it was done it’s likely to happen in USA.
I was thinking more of using an engine like the Williams J44 . A centrifugal engine like the Ghost/Nene/Goblin is very large for it’s thrust, and leaves a big space to design in an adaptor for mounting the engine. I suspect there might be problems with the intake geometry, and then the tail pipe would need work. J44 is already retrofitted in the Saab 105 (ex J85)
Less thrust than the original would be compensated by the weight saving. The J44 is about 1/3 of the weight of a Ghost, and the lower fuel consumption would require less fuel to be carried. The weight saving is also the killer, though (at least in a Venom)…. The Ghost looks like it is aft of the aircraft C of G. A much lighter engine would make a Venom nose heavy.
In this case it’s probably a non-runner, but I don’t think the idea of turbofan conversions for some classic jets should be ruled out quite so easily.
That’s a shame, but good the pilot walked away from it.
I’ve often thought it would be sensible to re-engine some classic jet warbirds with small modern turbofans. A lot of losses occur from engine problems caused by age, bad or non-existant engine logs, and unintentional misuse by pilots who are used to more modern engines.
Of course, the aircraft would lose a certain authenticity, but would be more economical to run, and the airframe might be less stressed. There might be some loss of performance, but the full military performance is not generally used in classic jets anyway.
Jaguar and Tornado ar multinational aircraft. The only British fast jet is the Hawk, and that’s got years to go. I reckon it must be something civilian or a transport aircraft. ‘No idea though!
MkIX
My favourite is the MkIX, but with the teardrop canopy and the RV cut-down rear fuselage. The MkXVI is pretty much the same (type361) but the engine top cowls are bulged upwards to clear the intercooler on the Merlin 266. I think it has the header tank integrated. I’m not keen on the clipped wings of the LF versions… ‘prefer the nice curly ones!
MkIX
My favourite is the MkIX with the teardrop canopy and the RV cut-down rear fuselage. The MkXVI is pretty much the same (type361) but the engine top cowls are bulged upwards to clear the intercooler. I think it has the header tank integrated. I’m not keen on the clipped wings of the LF versions… ‘prefer the nice curly ones!
‘Just heard from a relative of Michael Wilcox. He died yesterday. He must have been a fun guy… keen on Bentleys, and owned a Spitfire Mk XVI, SL721, which flies in Canada nowadays.
Thoughts are with the Wilcox family
I wonder if its stuff for mounting cameras for some kind of movie or newsreal.
Exactly, thats my point, hopeful of getting anywhere near the bloody thing in a sodding Meteor.
I have that DVD. When Roland Beaumont lit the afterburner on just one of the engines,even the lightning didnt keep up !
I read somewhere of one of the PR variants where the canopy was bolted shut ! …. perhaps to improve pressurisation. The upper butterfly screws might have something to do with that. The sidescreen one does look like something to do with a sun filter.
Gee…. I forgot one when I made my post….
I need an AV8B….. no weapons, but a couple of ferry tanks and a couple of pods for luggage, skis, mothers-in-law, etc. If it was a two seater the chauffeur could drop me off at the top of mountains… higher than the heli-skiers can go, and the butler would meet me further down the mountain with a vin chaud or a good beer !
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Northrop F5-E…. preferably one of the immaculate Swiss ones.
Hawker Hunter F6 or ex-Swiss Mk58
Vampire F.B.5
BAe Hawk T1A
MiG-15
Spitfire IX with low back fuselage
I remember seeing the ACA mockup at Farnborough 1982. Like the Eurofighter it gave it’s pilot an excellent forward/downward view of a couple of canards.