No, I am sorry but TWR is not the end all single factor as to if an aircraft can super cruise or not, far be it, although, if I remember correctly didnt the Concorde have to use AB extensively to get on step??

Great historical perspective DJCROSS! True there wasnt anything to fit the bill perfectly at the time. Now were getting to some great stuff here!

Listen, I dont think you are in any way wrong in saying the Typhoon is a long time coming for the RAF. I hold this Air Force in very high regards, they would make the best out of any aircraft and its great they have finaly aquired a platform that can tangle with most anyone out there. However, I do think the Typhoon at this time is not a groundbreaking platform especialy when compared to its peers. It is good, and with further development and investment it can be great even without stealth. Things down the road a bit such as a true AESA with all the tactics that come with it (EA, jamming, spoofing, decoupled crewstations, LRIP etc etc etc), confromal fuel tanks, a truly robust air to ground capability with many weapons choices, improved engines, and even TV will take it to a whole new level. Stealth, although you seem to think its way less important than most, is one hell of an asset when going into an advanced IADs, it may not be the end all silver bullet, but it does help A LOT. I think you will see the results of F-22 vs Typhoon future excercises will prove this, although this may be well into the future.

“The Typhoon can cut it in any scenario with pretty much anything else out there, WVR, BVR whatever it will take on all comers including an F22 if the F22pilot strides into battle thinking nobody can see him. Use that mindset and you’ll get shot down very quickly and any edge stealth gave you is lost because of a basic lack of understanding.”

-I think all the recent Flag’s and Cope’s the Raptor has been involved with against very credible platforms show otherwise. The Raptor pilot seems to have a very good understanding of his weapon’s capabilities, stealth very much included, the Raptor has first look first shot capability where the Typhoon simply does not compare. You easly dismiss stealth technology when tied to superior data fusion and systems integration (the Typhoon only has one of these fundemental qualities in its possesion) and no your dismissiveness does not annoy me.

Frank, I think anything I say contradictory of your beliefs you find insulting and repugnant so with all do respect (and I mean it) the Typhoon seems to be a good answer for an up to date fighter for the RAF and others, but I still dont see it as being overtly unique or groundbreakingly innovative when comapared to its peers. And I am sorry for being all the vile and terrible things you have called me over the last 4 pages of this thread;)

I have heard of aircraft with a T/W ratio of less than 1 supercruising under certain conditions. Aerodynamics are key.

Man you are something else. That was my thought process at the time and I asked for info to see if I have overlooked some specific design details which make it an exceedingly great/special whatever platform. For instance the supercruise and radar details are interesting etc. The only way you would clam up is if I said the thing is totaly unique and rules the roost in its domain, it does not! I never claimed it was a POS or anything like it? I asked for peoples views/opinions. Would you leave this alone and move on, nobody else seems to care. Why are you so insulted about an opinion that isnt that extreme in the first place. Did you design this thing or something? Seriously man its realy rediculous now, please move on:)

“Oh hark at the arrogant buffoon trying to defend his pathetically narrow minded point of view.”- Wow Daffy you realy hate me, and you dont even know me? And thats the Shakespherian blabler I was talking about.

Does anybody have details about what configurations the Typhoon can supercruise at? Does it require AB to get on step?