“BAE SYSTEMS has agreed to form a partnership with the Imperial War Museum in the development of the AirSpace project. This partnership also enables the Company to centre its main heritage activities at Duxford.”
So long XM603. Gone by 2006 I reckon!
“BAE SYSTEMS has agreed to form a partnership with the Imperial War Museum in the development of the AirSpace project. This partnership also enables the Company to centre its main heritage activities at Duxford.”
Which means the removal of airframes such as the Lightning at Warton and the Vulcan at Woodford and also the Heritage collections involved. You can move a Lightning, but a Vulcan!
We are all frustrated here because we want to see some classic airframes flying, so fast taxi’s it is.
Fast taxi a Valkarie and I will be on the next flight out!
The first BA Concorde has been retired today and already BA engineers are taking componants out to stop it from being started as I type.
We log the engine usage, and right now I do not know the servicing time for 301.Any one from Rolls Royce Heritage out there ….. help! 655’s engine are low in hours, that why the original owner wanted XM655 out the batch that were going at Waddington at the time
Not much spares to talk about. We either fix it ourselves or find a company who can, and beg! Fire bottles are our next problem. They need re filling but Kiddie’s have quote £5k each.
Any other parts, then Bruntingthopre, then Southend and both always help us, and we would do the same in return. We currently have Bruntingthorpes Vulcan Jacks on site. Newark have also helped and we have loaned them our swan neck so they could get there wheels off. We also have an offical agreement in place and if all else fails then if XM607 has a servisble item, we swap it.
I know most museums have signed up to a parts swop with 558 if she flies. The bomb bay has many bits that are useful.
Bruntingthorpe has 10 201’s, of which 8 are zero timed, we missed out on a good 301 that was made avaible to us, which has to say the least frustrated me!
Tyres, well, after 20 years the rubber is not the best but OK. Brakes were serviced last year by Dunlop (after begging).
Then the USA Vulcans are still 99% complete, which would be good for 558, maybe I will suggest to VOC that I go over and have a look for them.
Security – not bad, but we do have CCTV around the aircraft.
Different ball game, Hanger, rent, rates. Would have to create a Vulcan Hertiage Centre, open 7 days etc. If 558 get the cash, they will go down that road I expect.
No4, vexes us. Had a good look at it and all fine. Runs down in time, uses a bit of oil but then I would expect that, 20 years out of RAF servicing.
We don’t slam the engines any more 🙁 that was always the best bit. Standing under xm655, slaming two at a time. You get an understanding for life afterwards!
I think its the case of how long we can keep going with her. Without new recruits, 10 years, then she will be left say for another 5 or so years.
Air frame is good, undercarrige is good, we did some retraction tests a few years ago and all was well.
If you have watched XM655 though, No4 engine is a bit smokey. I think she could make it, but finding a crew to do it could prove hard! And we would be jailed for at least 5 years no doubt!
We were planning a EGR in October! So I reckon we will do one now in Feb/Mar 2004. Should be done every 28 days though.
Just got 10000L of fuel on the cheap which will help some way. The next public run will be Sunday 20th June 2004.
Of course next year sees 20 years at Wellesbourne Mountford and 40 since being built.
The only way we will keep this aircarft for another 40 is if she goes undercover. I wonder if anyone would notice if we ferried it to Kemble one evening!
As DB says, the out side ones will go. The mag alloy is the first to corrode, and on some of the examples, this is happening now.
When last saw 360 about a year ago, the tyres were deflated, and the main problem is that you get damp on the underside of a Vulcan. More so if the aircraft sits on grass. I know 360 is enjoying a re paint, but these beasts need cash injection to keep them looking nice. Newarks one sits on concrete and is surving some what well, and they power the APU excercise the bomb doors and airbrakes. This small excercise helps a lot in keeping the aircraft dry. They also came up with the idea of putting concrete in the tyres, so keeping the appearance nice. This knowledge should be shared and I do not know if museums talk to each other, Maybe a yearly 2 day conference to share ideas on how each preserve there aircraft and also any museums that are struggling. Hey , may be Flypast could sponsor the event!
655 is indeed looking her best right now, but as a trustee of XM655, I know what our limits are, I am the youngest member and I am in my mid 30’s. It is very hard to get interest from the young ones. Working outside in all weathers, does not seem to appeal these days to our young generation!
Dunno yet, Not sure if she will have to burn fuel off before arriving at MAN. Hopefully deatils later today.
Ah forgot Norwich, but yes, she will go. Woodford will go when BAE pull the plug on the site to make way for housing, just after the Nimrod programme is finished no doubt.
As a guide, to but 558 back to static display condition, will cost £250k, and I would think static she would stay.
Vulcans to go…(and not offending the respective museums in any way because I know the difficulties in keeping airframes looking nice and the costs involved along with H&S at work and the need for volunteers).
Within 5 Years:
Blackpool
Sunderland
10 Years
Coventry
Wellesbourne
Cosford
I might raise a few eyebrows re Wellesbourne.
I can see problems with the regional musuems in the next 10 years, as new generations lose interest in our aviation. They will only ever know the Tornado and Eurofighter, some will remember the Jag and the Harrier, but in 20 years time I will be an old git who remembers Victors, Lightnings, Vulcans, Hunters, Shackletons, Canberras, Hawk, Gnats et al. Teen agers will be yawning at me, waiting to go home and play on there X Box connected at broadband speed in the warm drinking orange juice laced with Vodka.
You heard it here first folks!
These are good ideas, but the MOD would have to give it to an organisation, turn it into a chartible trust, get funding and have a Falklands Museum, on some MOD land at Waddington. 607, Harrier and a F4 and some other bits (Victor would have been good! Interactive area and combine with a Waddington Visitors Centre. Nice!
The door is now fixed, but the cockpit has been stripped which was OK’d by the MOD. There is a RAF chap who cares for her and does an outstanding job seeing he has no budject for 607. Indeed 607 helped out 655 this year as a time delay switch went u/s on 655, so the RAF loaned one from 607, so 655 could perform her taxi run in June.
The jet pipes are starting to go down hill, but I have a plan in the offering which will replace them for better ones in the near future. The front fuel tank in bomb bay is still there!
Photo credit Paul Atherley
Ahh the jet pipes!
The chap left to further his education at Uni. There is some new paint on a small area of the port wing above the intake. There is also yellow paint sticking the corrosion together on the port ECM plate where the X Band would have been.