To admit I don’t understand what the hell the success in selling military aircrfat is related to the quality and even more the number of university graduates !??

Maybe I simply misunderstand Your irony or probably I’m too stupid …

Deino

engineering sells when you have good science and technology for that you need good engineers whom are well trained at universities, i do not know why you ask that, Germany has excellent engineering, in fact i will tell you a secret you do not know, i like German aircraft too, specially the Tornado and the WWII Heinkel bombers like the He-177, but as i like German aircraft i like Russian aircraft too, you simply misunderstand me, simply because you have gotten a stereotype of me

close up of the J-10s intake struts that help the fuselage/intake section to maintain a form of structural rigidity

You should check your source. It states 14k nominal per capita GDP, and yes I know the difference between PPP and nominal GDP. Also per capita GDP does not equal to per capita income, per capita income is usually much lower.

I thought we are talking about China & Russia here. Since when did Russia become a western nation? Everybody knows that the West, well more accurately the US have the best universities, but that’s hardly the case for Russia. In just about any global university ranking, do any of the Russian universities even crack into the top 50 or even top 100? FYI a couple Chinese universities actually does manage to crack into the top 50 list.

No one is disputing that a greater % of Russians are college graduates when compared to China. But which country have more college graduates? Which country have more new college graduates every year?

Russia is one of the world leaders in aviation technology not because of it has some of the top universities in the world, it does not, it’s not because of some advantage due to its language, it’s because the large amount of resources invested into the industry through out the soviet years. China only started doing this fairly recently in comparison, so of course it’s still behind now, having more resources will not instantly close this experience gap.

Russian Federation 19,227 20,770 22,408 23,501
readhttp://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD

read

Russia is world’s top exporter of fighter jets

The fact that Russia has so many university graduates is shown in the fact Russia is the world top exporter of fighter with 384 planes worth about $17.8

What language your son picks up has everything to do with his social environment. Up to around the age of 12 the developing brain is highly plastic to different languages, but only if the language is in regular use. By the time a child starts learning how to write they’re mostly associating their basic vocabulary with words, and their basic vocabulary can grow on its own without learning how to spell those words (though if they wanted to write that word down they would have to learn how, alphabet or logograph).

All writing systems are difficult if you don’t have the basic linguistic foundations first, but there is utterly no evidence to support the claims you’re making about degree of difficulty and it’s effects on other education, especially with regards to native speakers. Learning the alphabet hardly helps a Chinese speaker who doesn’t understand the mechanics of English, even if they figure out how to pronounce something (which isn’t a guarantee, they’d have to navigate the complex rules for pronouncing different letter combinations, which can be rather inconsistent) it’s unlikely they could understand the meaning of the word or its relations to the other words, while that same person may encounter a character they don’t know how to pronounce with certainty in Chinese but can figure out it’s meaning based on context and simply learn the sound abd it’s associated character later. This is not a discussion about linguistics, so I’ll leave it at that, but please actually do some research and or discuss things with someone who’s actually studied these subjects before making baseless assertions, ESPECIALLY if you want to make an argument about language determinism, which is usually very frowned upon and often shot down rather quickly in the academic community.

Look you are talking about something i did not say.

First i am saying to learn to read and write with an alphabet only requires to learn 20-30 letters, therefore you can learn to read Spanish in 1 day for an adult or 5-9 months for a child.

Chinese and Japanese are different since you use ideograms or what is called in Japanese Kanjies, a Kid of 6 years old in China or Japan can not read formal Chinese or Japanese since they will need to read close to 3000 or 4000 different ideograms or Chinese characters.

However a kid of 6 year old in any country were an alphabet is used will be able to read by the age of 6.

In Russia the use of computers is not like in western countries, Russian engineers are encourage to have a pencil and a paper, why? because it is very easy to integrate with a program like this
http://www.integral-calculator.com/

The Russian engineers are really good at math, you can say China has very good computers, but in reality this is useless if you do not have real understanding of math, why? i can put you an integral and ask you to solve it, i can assure you many won`t be able to do it manually, but using the program they will solve it.

A real engineer needs to interpret math.

No one said Asians are not good competent engineers, they have very smart people, they have good engineers and they are very organized, however most posters here just brag about nationalistic jingoism.

Real engineering requires you to cooperate, first because you need funding, for example Ukraine, they lacked funding so they are helping China that has the money in Y-20, Yakolev also helped in the L-15, Kamov the same, why because money was the main concern.

China is catching up, but you misunderstand what is really going to happen, China, China will cooperate because market share means sharing tech and markets and that means cooperation, in fact the Chinese are looking for that remember this

http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=2149

china and Russia are looking to make engines together, this is a reality, this is a result of the hike in aircraft prices

Strange, by just about any global ranking high school students from countries/regions with this so called language disadvantage (China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong etc) consistently and significantly outperform their peers from Western nations in areas such as math, physics etc.

Is China overhyped? Perhaps. But don’t forget that China is a very large country with a huge population. Yes Russia is on average a significantly richer country than China, but at the end of the day it’s 143 million people with an average annual household income of $15,000 (there’s currently more than 200 million Chinese with similar average annual household income, and expected to grow to around 400 million by 2022). Similarly I’m pretty sure Russia have a higher per capita higher education level, but does it produce more college, masters or phd graduates than China annually? I certainly doubt that.

Personally I definitely expect military cooperation between China & Russia to continue in the future. Cooperation or joint projects will probably increase, but outright purchases and especially complete systems will probably be considerably less when compared to the 1990s.

Another thing to remember is projects like JF-17, L-15, Z-10, Y-20, J-10 were all started at least 2 decades ago, China in the late 1980s or early 90s is very different from China now

you are wrong Russia at this moment is said to have an income of USD $23000 PPP per capita GDP

See link
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD

Now i know why Asian nations do better in Math, but this has nothing to do with the fact Western nations lead in Nobel Prizes.

The reason is very simple, Asian nations have very well organized societies where young students are forced to study many hours, while in the West, only at university level students are forced to excel.

In fact the top universities are not Asian but Western

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2013#sorting=rank+region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

Now can you that, England leads in jet engine design, same Russia or the US and the US today is the top nation in Nobel prizes winners and the same is applied to England.

another detail is close to 75% of all Russians get enrolled at universities while the Chinese only 25% and see this detail 80% of Ukrainians get enrolled at universities, this explains you why Ukraine can give to China tech transfers like Antonov did with Y-20
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR

This will explain you why despite Asian students excel in math, the British still build more complex jet engines than China, the West still has great aerospace skills and this tells you why Russia remains a world leader in aviation.

Now do not misunderstand me, Asia and China can design i did not say they do not, i said China is immerse in globalization and cooperates that is the reason you have cooperation with Russia and why China is immerse in joint programs with other nations.

It wouldn’t be the first time China has bought something from Russia either, believe it or not.

What is certain is China wants to buy a batch of Su-35s, but Russia wants to sell them enough to make the sale worthwhile.

None of this is shocking or particularly unbelievable. And it sure as hell ain’t a farce lol.

there is something you will always see, Chinese fanboys deny it, Russian sources claim it, fanboys deny it as if they were the PLAAF speak people, but the reality is China and Russia have very intertwine industries.
Almost all the Chinese projects have Russian parts, or have been helped by Russian or Ukrainian engineers except where there is European tech transfers like helos or Airbus China and Embraer Harbin or AVIC-Bombardier projects.

Is almost ridiculous when you see Su-33s or Su-30s called as J-15 or J-16 or you see J-10s with Al-31s or J-31s with RD-33, or a ex-soviet aircraft carrier and still fanboys will tell you they are domestic, you see Antonovs, Yak-130 siblings, Kamov designed Z-10s and still they will say to you they are domestic.

To be fair Russian sources acknowledge that China does some design and the Chinese are competent engineers, but when you see how much Russian, Israeli, Ukrainian tech is in Chinese aircraft is too laugh the things fanboys will say, that China never received tech transfers.

chinese Tu-6 with cruise missile

PLA’s J-10C may be able to match US and EU counterparts

to read further
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140202000044&cid=1101

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MiG-29, I get the feeling you’ve totally misunderstood my posts, that may be due to a language barrier. However, that’s not important because you don’t have the faintest idea of what you’re talking about and your comments on this topic are embarrassing to read (no offence but seriously).

Embarrassing?, you are just covering the fact PAKFA has boundary layer bleed doors on both sides of the intake cowl and a diverter, plus it has ramps for oblique shocks and the normal sock in the supersonic section of the intake, basically the aircraft has a Su-27 design intake with only planforming alignment like F-22`s intake and they feature meshes of less than one quarter of the wavelength of a search radar to reduce RCS like the F-117.

That is what the patent says, plus it has a a third bleed door on the bottom of the intake cowl that also works as a bleed door to control the mass flow that the intake takes in order to avoid choking the intake and keep the shocks in place.

The design uses a lot of RAM and a device on the middle of the engine nacelle working as a blocker
why? because it needs variable geometry intakes since PAKFA is faster than J-20 and F-22, the Russians have taken a much more complex task, to design a supersonic stealthy intake to make a much faster fighter that will use speed to increase survibility

and Fig 5 of the patent shows the device and PARALAY posted a PAKFA with meshes, these have to be stealthy

There is nothing officially designated KJ-3000. KJ-3000 is just a name used by military fans when talking about the next generation AWACS. In the video you linked, the commentator said KJ-3000 may not be a AWACS, rather more E-8 type aircraft.

thanks, i can read Japanese Kanjies, so written Chinese some times is understandable for me, but spoken Chinese is out of my reach

H-6K carrying 6 KD-20 long range cruise missiles