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  • in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2262933
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    Possibly, but the PLA isn’t very media savvy so they might not release (or even take) any such photos.

    in japanese news that picture has not appeared yet
    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/964353/964353_original.jpghttp://paralay.iboards.ru/download/file.php?id=16890&mode=viewhttp://paralay.iboards.ru/download/file.php?id=16889&mode=view

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2263415
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    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93413&d=1390572954http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93414&d=1390572954http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93415&d=1390572954
    more pictures of J-15 with weapons, well chinese Su-33 with python 3 chinese versions:very_drunk:

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2263782
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    This is why you don’t rely on google translate. The sentence means “most advanced” in the sense of the most up to date technology, and refers to AESAs in general, not the J-10B’s AESA specifically.

    thanks, i have to admit while i understand a bit kanjies, in reality i do not speak Chinese thank you for the translation since my knowledge of kanjies come from Japanese

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    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2263834
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    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3807/11888299743_39c7d6374b_o.jpg

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3734/11888596515_ede4e3e1cd_o.jpg

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    video J-10B

    http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2014-01/21/c_126034431.htm

    Chinese article that claims J-10B has one of the most advanced radar AESAs in the world, and J-10B is lighter than J-10A due to extensive use of composites retaining similar performance

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2263838
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    China in talks for more Russian arms as tensions with Japan rise
    http://idrw.org/?p=32499

    and some pictures of Z-10

    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5498/11889426246_d059fcb361_o.jpghttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5538/11888873956_9111a5de6e_o.jpg

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    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2264351
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    interesting pictures, i never thought this aircraft was going to be deployed in numbers
    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93368&d=1390453843
    cool picture of the JH-7
    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93366&d=1390453843

    more pictures

    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93370&d=1390454066

    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93367&d=1390453843

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2264478
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    Having that grid obstructing airflow though has got to effect performance. Maybe the PAKFA isn’t as fast as we have imagined. Not that it would be slow, just unexceptional.

    Engines work with air flow at Mach 0.7, so if the air flow in the duct is subsonic after being slowed down at the intake ramps, performance will remain unaffected, but if the grid is on the intake lip as in the F-117 then the aircraft can not fly beyond subsonic speeds, PAKFA has it at the subsonic section of the duct, at that section flow is already subsonic despite its intake ramps allow for speeds up to Mach 3

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2264487
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    Grids have issues with ice accretion. F-117 used an “ice wiper” with a blade to knock off big chunks of ice and alcohol spray to melt ice blocking the openings within the grid. If blockage became too severe, a blow-in door opened providing airflow to the engine. That is a lot of complexity which is easily avoided by using an s-duct which provides 100% line-of-sight blockage to the fan face (e.g. F-22, F-35).

    however the grid on the PAKFA is inside, i do not think it will experiment the same trouble than one outside and on the intake lip like the one of F-117

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2264705
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    Thanks for the reply, squares with what I was thinking. In essence, all three possibilities that I mentioned. The blocker does not appear to be a grid, more like the Super Hornet’s if anything. There was also the post from aviation week 2010 where it was described as an adjustable series of vanes if Sweetman’s analysis was correct. ( I know it’s old, but in light of the recent patent information, was he on to something?)
    http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:c3f1c693-d1d6-4f37-b3fd-e7f16e087b2e

    Bold statement, aerodynamics you could make a case for based on evidence and design philosophy presented in the patents. The higher level of stealth? That is conjecture, computer modeling can only go so far as to Russian figures given for the F-22 RCS.

    i am not russian and my knowledge of Russian is scarse, but if the grid is working as a blocker it reminds me this

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/xu-an/f-117_rcs_intake_grill.jpg
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/-dRyJXIcan_o/RsFYg_kmIYI/AAAAAAAAAME/tgVAiBQ0rJE/SNV30632.JPG
    so in my opinion, if it has a stealth use, this, the RAM on the walls of the intake walls and the slight s S ducts could give a small RCS with an excellent performance, but i do not know

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2265067
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    Well I’m listening. Always interested to know what actual aerodynamics experts think about the J-20s aerodynamics.

    EDIT: But I suppose this is the PAK-FA thread do my inquiry is out of place.

    J-20 uses basically F-35 aerodynamics but with MiG-144 solutions, it is a hybrid, but the ventral fins show they did not achieve the desire lateral stability with smaller dorsal fins thus went for ventral fins for high Alpha control, in that terms PAKFA is far more advanced in aerodynamics, and if the composites and intake grid work as advertised, it is indeed the most advanced 5th generation out there since it allows for better aerodynamics with higher stealth than F-22

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2265073
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    That is interesting. With the partial bend of the duct, part of the engine will be exposed necessitating the blocker. I am curious as to the driver of this design aspect: keeping sufficient volume between engines for the weapons bays, concerns over frontal cross-section, Better airflow to the engine? ( which has a larger effect on efficiency blocker vs. serpentine bend )

    I had tried to point out the fan blade issue to him. That curved blisks would be a problem for RCS if exposed. Also that Rolls Royce and others had investigated PMC blades (and made no claims about radar absorption).

    The PAKFA uses a very smart set of solutions, why? S ducts are aerodynamically not the best for pressure recovery, due to aerodynamic distortions of the flow, straight ducts reduce boundary layer accumulation and therefore volume too and drag.

    The grid is in the subsonic section of the inlet duct, if you remember, F-117 has a grid too for RCS reduction on the intake lips, at supersonic speeds the need for air supersonic shocks does not allow for a fixed intake, thus setting the grid deep inside the inlet duct is a very smart solution.

    Remember F117 was a subsonic airplane with fixed intake.

    Another advantage is the PAKFA can fly with weapons bays with camber, it will generate lift and reduce volume, this makes the jet basically a Su-27 but its cross section is very small, looking at the PAKFA from the front you see a small forebody, in F-22 or J-20 you see huge forebodies specially in J-20 the bumps for the DSI increase the frontal cross section, same problem has the F-35, this in F-35 increases drag and it is know F-35 is a fat aircraft in terms of air drag.

    PAKFA will be faster, in fact what the Russians wanted is not go far stray from the Su-27 proven aerodyamics.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265530
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    It’s a land-based interceptor, a variant of an aircraft which entered service almost 30 years later than the (naval) F-4. The J-8II flew 26 years after the F-4. Side intakes & a big radome are common to many types, & as far as I can see they’re the only features the two types have in common. The F-4 is distinctive because of its down-tilted nose & tail – which J-8II lacks. J-8II entered service in limited numbers, & nobody else has bought it, while the F-4 was a success around the world.

    Sorry, but to me, calling it “Chinese Phantom” makes no sense.

    no need to make a huge thing of it, it is just an expression, with no more intent to express a personal feeling, imagination works different in different people, only that.

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    more pictures
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    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265540
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    Why do you call it “Chinese Phantom”? It’s not a copy of the F-4. There’s no connection. It doesn’t even resemble the F-4. It’s much more like the Su-15, & is similar in role.

    i did not mean it is a copy, i meant it fills the same role and belongs to the same generation only that, there is no need to overblow my comment, it was just a personal feeling, to me it reminds me the F-4 with its intakes and bulbous nose, but of course it looks closer to the Su-15, however in Asia its close equivalent is the F-4

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265595
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    This looks very much like a PS-job based on the image You posted here:

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?125099-Chinese-Air-Power-Thread-17&p=2105418#post2105418

    Deino

    it is a photoshop but it is still interesting

    these are of the Chinese phantom, aka J-8II
    http://www.airwar.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=3148&mode=view
    http://www.airwar.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=3151&mode=view
    more pictures click link
    http://www.airwar.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=3150&mode=view

    http://www.airwar.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=3149&mode=view
    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93300&d=1390312533
    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93299&d=1390312533

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2266020
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    http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=93287&d=1390278674

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