Regarding the transport needs, those Spanish A400M that are surplus look surely interesting.
Guys from Seville already were in NZ with the combo 295/A-400, 295 in two roles, transport and MPA, A-400 as the ¿best? way to deploy the NZ Nh-90. They did the same at least in South Africa.
The 6 HAP are the ones we want to sell, because with the overcosts of the program nobody believes we are going to pay an extra for get the HAD configuration for them, but I really don´t know who can be interested in that crappy configuration. We should have the 24 HAD delivered a couple of years ago…today we have 0, just the HAPs, with more than a billion euros already paid to the company.
Given the 2012 figues ($24mil for TTH and $39mil for NFH), here is the rough listing (not including spares, ordnance or support cost, disregarding economy in scale)
NH90
Australia – ca $1.1bil
Greece – ca $480mil
Netherlands – ca $480mil
Sweden – ca $430mil
Finland – ca $480mil
Norway – ca $550mil
Spain – ca $890mil
Belgium – ca $250mil
France – ca $2.7bil
Germany – ca $2.9bil
Italy – ca $3.5bil
New Zealand – ca $220mil
Oman – ca $480mil
Saudi Arabia – ca $1.5bilTotal – ca $16.3bil
We are paying more than 1,5 € billion for 19+1 TTH, 1 kind of naval TTH or something like that (prototype), 1 CSAR or at least a wannabe (as prototype, again), with tools, spares for ¿5? yearsand all that, it looks we are getting F-35 or something, not a crappy utilitary helo.
funny that no-one mentioned K-FX… T-50 for Rafales sounds like a good swap.
That´s one of the proposals of the Ef-2000 in South Korea, T-50 at least for Spain.
Argentina is already building, in its own shipyards (which are perfectly capable of building such vessels), the first of a planned four or five 80 metre OPVs.
Like this (click if you only see a thumbnail) – [ATTACH=CONFIG]217654[/ATTACH]
but without the Chilean flag.
Designed by Fassmer. http://www.fassmer.de/index.php?id=190
Not yet, still is a project
Neither Spain nor Germany need a new combat aircraft for the next 30-40 years. The Typhoons will be enough to patrol the airspace over both countries.
We have some southern neighbours…
Mainly because they spend more than the double than us in defence, we are under the 1%.
BME330, expected to start deliveries in 2000 (delayed to 2003), but not expected to be FOC in 2000. That’s what I try to explain to whom defend that the original plan was to have the aircraft “full swingrole” in 2000. That’s simply not true, because production and capabilities was splited long before to split payments and new technologies development. Since 2008, with a world crysis, we know that this wasn’t a good idea, but that’s because we are in the present, not in the past. By then it was the best idea (or the only way) for the EFA countries.
And no, we wouldn’t have had similar offsets with any other aircraft. Even with that amount of money. That’s for sure. Who says that is because he doesn’t know what the EFA program has given to Spanish aeronautical industry.
The original plan has been changed about a dozen times, more bucks, and more delays, we had in the eighties offsets for a +100% of the deal….with 10 billion €….
All this joint euro projects, with their overcosts and delays killed both the Air Force and the Army Aviation.
And yet you got the Seville plant from CASa finding a home with EADS, you got a good chunk of developing and testing work for the EF and you got a Spanish assembly line. I doubt F-18 would have given you that.
With the same amount of money? Sure they could, and probably today they could be capable of SEAD missions.
That’s not true, BME330. Unfortunately a common mistake. There are delays, yes, but very early during development, governments decided to split evolution in stages, to split payments and have time to develop some too new technologies. So very early they knew that they would have the final capabilities quite after the date of entry into service. Not in the mid-final-2010’s, yes, but neither in 2000. Final capability was planned for +/- 2010.
We had to get the Mirages from Qatar in 1994/5 because the delays, and supposedly waiting for an operational Ef-2000 in…2000…The F-1M upgrade was also another consequence, getting the CX Hornets from the USN…guess why…
Yep, the smallest partner with the smallest economy of the four, but the requeriments were quite simple, multirole plane, about ten years ago, not happenned.
Fascinated to know how the Typhoon has failed to meet up to Spanish expectations though.
How? the last plane we bought was the EF-18, a true mutirole plane, they had since the first day integrated Harpoon, Harm, Mavericks, Nite Hawk pods, GBU´s and all that crap, without delays, now with the Ef-2000 after a load of money and too much years we have a plane that hardly can guide GBU´s.
So what is the long-term plan here? To replace Hornets and Harriers with X number of F-35s a decade from now?
What was the rationale for selecting unproven NH90 over UH-60M in the first place? In addition to all the problems with NH90, the decision looks especially ridiculous in light of subsequent MH-60R selection.
Is sad to say but we don´t have a long term plan, Navy is quite interested in the SVTOL F-35, and the Air Force at least in some circles is pissed in how the Ef-2000 program has been developed, and the F-35 obviously was the main option as EF-18 replacement, but with the politicians you never know, they will join any eurocrap program if they could get a picture.
And we got the Nh90 mainly because eurocopter put an assembly plant in Albacete for the Tiger deal, and the goverment gave them without any trial, or selection a deal for Ec-135´s for the armed forces, Guardia Civil, Policia Nacional, DGT, and after that, the Nh90…just arrived….but at least the navy is getting some refurbished sh-60´s instead of that thing
Other articles have shown Spain is trying to find a buyer for up to 18 x T1 EF 2000. Peru, Chile and Poland have all been mentioned as potential buyers.
If these eventuate, Spain will have 54 EF2000 (73 – 1 accident – 18 sold).
A dozen is the number the DoD said.
What are the penalties for cancelling the T3B Typhoons?
They guy from DoD said that most probably all the partners are going to refuse to get the 3B.