The Tiger issue is about the six HAPs (the program has a big, big delay, and a big, really big overcost but the company never paid nothing as compensation). The A-400M… I really doubt they could sell a dozen.
Nh90 should be cancelled, and the politicians and the eads guys who signed the deal should be hanged in a square a sunday morning. No more french helicopters, please.
Which would be a reduction in numbers per sqn. The question is has the EdA stated any new plans? It is curious that there are so little information out there regarding the planning of the EdA considering the new situation. Not even all dates of sqn inauguration.
We have some amazing numbers here, 23th Wing (advanced training) has about the same number of planes than the 462 Squadron, but has two squadrons (231, 232). When the 12th Wing was an all Phantom unit, they had 40 planes, 4 of them RF-4C, they had three operational squadrons, 123 with the RF-4´s but also they had some F-4C assigned to the squadron by the wing, sometimes they had a squadron with 4 RF-4C and 5 F-4C. Wings assigned planes.
65 EF-18`s right now, in four squadrons and a OCU, there´s no 14 planes in the OCU, there´s no 18 in each operational squadron, and they are flying, right now 142 squadron has less than a dozen planes, 113 as the OCU unit has less than 14, and so on, if the air force gets the 73 planes, you can count with the four squadrons and the OCU. 141 now is flying about 8 planes heading to retirement. And another thing, if a Wing gets 30 planes, nobody says that both squadrons are going to get 15 each…
With the orders currently fix at 73 aircraft I doubt that we’ll see 5 squadrons. Unless Spain orders additional aircraft in the future or seriously reduces sqn strength there will be 4 sqns only.
With 72 Ef-18 we had that configuration, two squadrons for 12th Wing (121, 122), another two in Zaragoza (151, 152) and the OCU (153)
In Spain, squadrons don’t have “assignated airframes” (number of fighters by squadron is not a fixed number), it’s the Ala (Wing) which has the airplanes and split them between the different squadrons depending on availability and needs (i.e. now one squadron has 12 fighter and the other 24, and the next month it’s the opposite). Although, yes, the idea it’s about 18 Typhoon by squadron (36 by Wing) in 4 squadrons (72 Typhoons).
We don’t know how the proposed sale works here.
By the way, we have 17 Tranche 1 and I think we wouldn’t sell them all, but about 12 (retaining some two-seaters).
Supposedly 11th Wing will get two operational squadrons 111 & 112 and the OCU as 113, and the 14th Wing probably will get the two squadrons, right now they are flying 142 with Ef-2000 and 141 with Mirages, after the Mirage retirement, they will get Ef-2000. So five squadrons like 12th and 15th Wings.
Right now we are paying about 60 millon euros for each Tiger HAD (none of them delivered, more than billion already paid), and about 35 for each Nh-90 and rising.
If we can pay the eurocopter prices we can pay a space station, or something like that in a future.
I´ve seen this grey scheme on guatemalan, peruvian and other central/south american police services, is a scheme used in the US Dept. of State, those helos are loaned? to anti narcotic units.
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