i thinks Obama made clear 2 months ago he was against Airbus while McCain is for competition.So its pretty much on candidates approach to the matter.Democrats seem to be listening to the Unions and Lou Dobbs so probably Boeing will get the contract if Obama is elected.Good for Boeing.it still gets the job done,even if its less capable than the Airbus.Good for Us economy,they need jobs home right at the moment

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/08/russia.venezuela.ap/index.html

Kirov is back:)
looking forward for some pix.wondering if any oscar or akula going there too.

Niether me or you are wrong, what happens is the MiG-19 like the MiG-21 were powered with different types of engines.

Russian built MiG-21s had the R-25, an engine that China never got, Russian built MiG-21s differed a bit from the J-7s so you camparasion should not be totally accurate.

check by your self
MiG-19
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig19sm2.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig19p.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig19.html

MiG-21
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig21sm.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig21b.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/mig21m.html

By 1972 the RD-25-300 had a Max thrust of 9900kg, three tiomes more than a single engine RD-9B

http://airbase.ru/hangar/russia/mikoyan/mig/21/bis/

look i frequently read this forum and i dont wanna argument with you since even if i am right i would seem wrong looking to the volume of links and bs in your answers.

Its my knowledge that the 19 and the 21 have different types of engines.
Offcourse they were chinese made but the engine were different copies of Tumansky RD9b and R-11-300.R-25 was the engine of just “21bis” with 7500kg in forsazh.If u look at datas you’ll see that from first engine R-11-300 of F-13 to R-11F2SK-300 of the MF the maximal thrust is pretty much the same.they augmented the forsazh but all we know that it comes to an expense-sucks much fuel.
I also happen to read that the 9900kg thrust seems to be reachable under very limited conditions and just for 3 minutes,so i dont really understand why you mention it.Maybe another 2 minutes and it was out of fuel.

however to stay in the topic i would say F-16,Mirage III,Mig 21

On the engine power that wasn’t true until the -21bis.

Chinese J-6 we had in Albania were tuned on 2650kg each in maximal and 3250kg in forsazh so Crobato is right

When did this even happen?

Can we now tell which boat was sunk at sea?

I’m going to guess this would more likely be Smetlivy doing the firing, since I don’t think they would use a SS-N-12 on a missile boat 😎

Ak-130?

Where’s Garry B,havent seen him these “hot” days

Indeed the ‘black soldiers’ found line has been peddled since day one, how one can see a dead black guys body and immediatly decide thier American is beyond me but thats what many are beleiving it seems, I would have thought a black man more likly to be African but hey what do i know :rolleyes: :confused: , i must say i hadn’t heard the passport part of the story but i would have imagined already the passports would be all over the press bolstering the case by Russia that others have been meddling in the fighting. Maybe the passports will be shown soon, sure would be a big deal over it i bet if its true. Edit: RN scraps plans to excercise with the Russian Navy, not BFF it seems lol.

that science called Genetics

the first link isnt working Otaku,any other link?

Soc must know this better however there was an interesting comment of a russian guy on mp.net.It was a similiar thread.

he pointed out that bombers on Cuba is just a stupid idea.Its a better thing to begin to make again Ss-24 and put them on service in the railway line amur baikal where they can be out of Gbi and SM-3 from navy pf Sm3’s.

is this true?