As for Clear War: never very coherent – except when silently cribbing from some-one else’s fantasy. Both made the most basic errors in every direction they ventured: in observation, in physics, in geology, and in photography. The most amusing were (summarising freely in the voice of “Otto Mann”):

“the speed, man, its the speed”
Both fixed upon surface speed and vertical velocity as though they were the same as acceleration. Then shied away from the physics as “academic stuff”. Oh dear.

“The space, man, its the space”
SSS-666 was pretty close in his approximation of the LM as a 6x6x6 foot volume. This, using just his feet(!) he thinks far too small. No idea why. In fact it gives Aldrin and Armstrong the equivalent of 2mx2mx1m each – plenty of space, working together, to move around, change suits, and even lie down to have a kip on the engine cover. Cramped? You bet! Impossible? nup.
“They didn’t test anything, man”
Ah well. As they “never left Earth orbit”, no doubt the Australian tracking stations were following something else through space and around the Moon, as Apollo 8, 9 and 10 practised lunar orbit, separation, docking and descent.

1. O.K. so why does Encyclopedia’s say peopel would travel mi=uch faster on the moon than on earth, when they move in a forward motion, or when if the push them selves up (Jumping)?

IAs Su-27 and MiG-29 are far away from being supercruisy, they won’t need it too much (at least not for that purpose).

Niether is the F-15 and 16 😀 😀 😀

Once again, you’re ignoring tactics, readiness, maintenance issues, and a whole mess of other issues. I could argue that the West lost fewer aircraft because they saw what happened in Iraq and changed their tactics. Know what that has in common with your theory? The fact that I haven’t given you any proof of mine either.

So once again, where’s the wreckage?

The fact that there’s no proof the “Mojority” of Serbia’s SA-2-6’s were not operational/ready, should be proof that U.S. lied.

That’d be true if you assumed that it was the original, unmodified radars which acquired, tracked, locked onto, and shot at the F-117. The Serb who manned the SAM unit wouldn’t agree with that.

If he was right, then B-2s would have been downed as well. But ok. The Serbians got one aircraft which was using 30-year old stealth technology. Given that this has been the only stealth combat loss ever the technology would still seem to be viable.

At that time 1999 it was’nt 30 year old tech, you just looking for excuses to help U.S. not feel embaressed by saying things like this, hu, I can’t believe how you Americans live in this mentality as if your tech is better than Rus’s and the FANTASTIC lies you willingly believe! 😮

How fast was the Moon Car traveling on the moon? Why does Encyclopedia’s say people would move faster on the moon than on earth but the astronot are not? 1 50/60 Pound weight fallin from 3 feet would hit the ground (on earth) at about 1.5 seconds, on the moon a 300/360 pound weight would weigh 50/60 pounds, and if droped from 3 feet with out being propelled would take about 6 or a little more than 6 seconds to hit the moon’s surface, the Astronots weighed between about 360 pounds with all thier equipment on earth but on the moon, they weighed around 60 pounds, well why did Armstrong hit the moon’s surface around 1 to 1.5 seconds after he let go from the ladder when he was getting of the LM, (You know the guy would said “One Small Step For Man, One Giant Leap For Mankind.”) Look carefully he doesn’t push himself down he just jumped down, “As if he were on earth” Thats why in my other post I was using the “RedBull Commercial” as an Example to give you guys an Idea of what I’m talking about, so Please DonClark I’d like to hear your Input??

What does frog speech have to do with an F-117? :confused:

Assuming you meant “rivet”, well, it’s happened before. During the HAVE BLUE tests HB-2 showed up on an AWACS radar screen at a rather long range. This was due, yes, to a skin fastener not being fully tightened down.

Anyway, you’d do good to do a bit of research on the amount of maintenance that F-117 ground crews had to perform on the RAM and skin joints of the F-117 in years past before more workable techniques were developed.

It’s called “mission planning”. If you think a bit of airspace is clear, you’re going to use it.

The night footage I remember was of Serbains among the F-117’s wreckage. That has nothing to do with when it was shot down.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117down.htm

You’re still discounting tactics and other factors as well. If the S-75/SA-2 and S-125/SA-3 were still that effective, Russia is completely and utterly stupid for spending so much money to develop newer SAM systems, right?

http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117down.htm
it’s early in the morrning like 3.AM dark look at the fire burning you telling me it was shot in the day time and the fire burned for 6 hours HAHAH!!

That is IF they are in fact wrong with their published explanations and its not YOU that is wrong in your observations of the speed of the people and vehicles on the lunar surface and YOU that is wrong on the amount of dust that would or wouldnt be kicked up by the lander. Incidentally you didnt answer how you know that the vehicles and people are moving ‘at the wrong speed’ or explain how you know that the Lander shouldn’t have kicked up dust when it landed?.

The interesting footnote to this is that NASA will be definitively answering the question, in 2008 I believe, with the Lunar Reconnaisance Orbiter (LRO). LRO is scheduled to photograph the original landing sites to make sure their plotted so future landings dont crash into them!. Guess they’re working on the CGI imagery to fake those sites as we speak eh Clear? :rolleyes:

nasa IN 2008 WILL SHOW YOU A NEW AND HIGH TECH FLAG/FLAG POLE AND A Luar Model that they just recently secretly made and secretly placed on the moon in order so in 2008 they can fly there and show us this new LM and say “You see we told you guys this IS the 1969 LM which we went with to the moon.” NASA said they stoped going to the moon because they found out everything that needs to be known AND it was getting to expensive for NASA, if that was the case NASA would’nt be going back in 08 to proove to a bunch of us who doubt it ever happend, the real reason NASA is going is NASA’s funding comes from the U.S. Tax payer’s money and more and more peopel are finding out the Moon missions were fake and in order for them to keep getting that tax payer money they have to keep the fusaude up, so thats why after 39 years (in 08) all of a sudden they want to go back to suppsedly “PROOVE” they were up there HA!, anyways I believe the New Word Order will have already started by then anyways, NOW You still can’t answer my question, 1. Science /Encyclopedia’s state that There is no resistance on the moon and people/things (MOON CAR) will move faster in a (forward motion) on the moon, so how come they were’nt (AND don’t give that excuse of “we can’t tell what speed they’re walking at on the moon”) because we CAN give a round about figure of how fast they’re moving on the moon. 2.Now To anybody reading this can you please tell “Jonesy” here what was NASA’s explaination why the LM’s rocket booster didn’t make a crater when taking off?, can you tell him because if I do, (Which I’ve did) he wont believe me, so maybe he’ll believe one of you guys, ANY WAYS the LM’s Rockets when Apollo 11 was first landing were blowing the surface of the moon around, this should’nt be happening because of NASA’s explaination why the rockets didn’t cause a crater on the moon when taking off? 3. What was The speed according to Nasa of the Moon Car? The answer to this will truly proove that they couldn’t have been on the moon, OH BTW have you seen the new “REDBULL” EnergyDrink Comercials did you see they way the astronots were floating away when they first were getting off the LM (I know it was just a commercial but just bare with here a little) thats how the Apllo astronots would have really moved around if they tried going in a “forward” motion. SO please concentrain on my questions and you’ll understand what I’m saying, your assumtions about the tracking is based on the fact that your taking what thier saying as truth, for example if one believes they were on the moon, 37 years latter when some non-NASA agency/organasation says “we were/are tarcking the laserfinders on the moon,” one will believe they must be tellin the truth, anybody can say there tracking the laser range finders man anyone, BTW Why didn ‘t they sent more moon images from the camera’s they supposedly left on the moon back on earth, the film didn’t run out as soon as the left the moon?, the answer is simple= They were never there man NEVER, WHY didn they take extra film and cameras so they can film the sun even if it messes up the camera, just so we can see what it looks like? the answer is simple= They would have if they were on the moon, why didn’t they take 360 degree views of space even if you couldn’t see anything, wouldn’t humans who are on the moon for they first time do such a thing? The answer is simple = YES they would do such a thing, If they were on the moon!! 😀 😀

By that logic, a Ukranian S-200 shot down a Russian airliner, and Libya had S-200s in 1986, so they must have shot down a bunch of US aircraft during Operation ELDORADO CANYON, right? Wrong. That’s seriously flawed logic. Merely possessing a SAM system does not guarantee you any measure of success. Tactics, enemy ECM, and a whole mess of other factors come into play as well.

Anyway, if the Serbians shot down over 300 aircraft, where did all the wreckage end up? Surely if they got that many actual aircraft the wreckage from more than two aircraft would have ended up in Serbia, right?

That’s funny, I was under the impression that it was the Serbian’s decision to finally come out and tell his story to the media.

Look at the excuses US was saying why it was shot down, 1. they first said it was a loose ribbit, HA! they now want you to believe they accidently forgot to tie a ribbit, 2. Then they act as if they themselves didn’t know not to constantly travel the same route, HA! 3. Then the hade the odacity to make it seem as if it was shot down a day time, when even thier CNN showd Serb TV footage of it being shot down at night, you see all these “FANTASTIC Lies that U.S. says when thire corrnered. 😀 😀 😀 😀 P.S. Clinton Promised to give $10 Billion aid if Serbis didn’t reviel the NATO losses, thats why Serbis didn’t show them, why NOW have they NOT shown them? THAT I Don’t know, but the FACTUAL evidence says NATO didn’t come with special radarjamming devices that would have made Seria’s Missiles not work, so it’s safe to assume NATO is covering up thier loses.