[QUOTE=Jonesy]You are still not getting this are you?

The speed of the Astronauts or Lunar Rovers is utterly irrelevent to whether the moon landings in the Apollo programme were real or not. It makes not one bit of difference if they appeared to be going slower or faster than they ‘should be’ (though how you can determine with 100% precision what the accurate speed should be or not amazes me!). They were there – we know this because the vehicles were tracked there, by independent means, and because they left evidence. Evidence that no-one here has been able to refute.

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You can’t answer my Questions about the SPEED of the astronots, and the FACT that the LM is making a blast force moving the “so called” dust of the moon surface, you can’t explain why this is happening, which is the REAL “Contradiction” of NASA so you rebut by repeating what a defeated man says,”They were there, they were there!” HAHAHAHAHAHA EVERYONE MY ARGUMENTS ARE THE ONES THAT can’t BE REFUTED, BECAUSE ALL I’M DOING IS THROWING AT NASA WHAT THEY SAID CAN’T AND DOES HAPPEN ON THE MOON, BUT WHEN WATCHING ALL APOLLO 11-17 VIDEO’S YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE “MAJOR” CONTRADICTIONS FROM WHAT NOT ONLY NASA SAYS BUT WHAT’S WELL DOCUMENTED IN “ENCYCLOPEDIAS” 😀 😀 😀 😀

That doesn’t matter one bit, although the answer would be zero. You wanted to know of a SAM system Iraq had in 1991 that Seribia didn’t have in 1999. I gave you one, the ROLAND. At any rate, here’s the Coalition losses over Iraq in 1991:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/874338/posts

Anyway, are you going to make your point, or are you going to keep hiding behind repetitive questions?

NOW Serbia in 99 had almost all of their SA-2/3/6’s opperational, and if U.S. lost F-15’s and F-14’s in Desert Storm to Iraqi SA-2/ other IR SAM’s then Serbia deffenatly shot down 300+ Planes and UAV’s, NOW you’ll claim Serbia didn’t ahve their SAM’s operational, but thats not true, U.S.A. is the one spreding that rumor so the evidence would not prove NATO MUST be lying about thier losses, In 2005 that western News finally reported the Serbian Soilder’s story on how he shot down the F-117 with his SA-3 6 1/2 YEARS LATTER, THIS CLEARLY SHOWS nato CAN block STORIES FOR LONG PERIOD’s OF TIMES, just like for over 30 years Serbian Gen. Mihailovic’s Award by your President Truman was covered up until the 70’s despite Gen. Mihailovic was Time Magazine’s 1943 “MAN OF THE YEAR” so don’t convince your selves that it’s impossible for Governmets to Cover stories up for years.

What I’m saying is modern Space Shuttel/ISS is real and they are up there under the VAN ALLEN BELT, BUT the Apollo missions were fake, 1. Look at ANY Encyclopedia it says that on the moon people would move much faster in a “forward” motion because there no resistance (Atmosphere) well how come the Astronots didn’t the Encyclopedia says you’d move like 6 feet forward for every step you take, that didn’t happen on the moon missions, 2. What was the speed that the moon care was traveling? (I’ll answer this latter and you’ll get what I’m talking about, first I want you to give me an OFFICIAL NASA confirmation of who fast that supposed moon car was going?) 3. NASA says there was no crater made by the LM because Space is a vaccum, well how do you explain when the LM is landing it’s much farther away from the moon’s surface but you can CLEARLY see the so called moon surface being blown away from the rockets, 😀 😀 😀 NASA realy screwd up on that one 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 PLEASE EXPLAIN????????

Utter cr@p. The initial experiments set up by Apollo 11 proved so valuable that additional reflectors were sent on the follow on Apollo 14, Apollo 15, and even on the Russian Lunakhod 2 missions.

The units reflect lasers generated from earth stations in Texas, Hawaii, France, California, Australia, Russia, and Germany. So this conspiracy of the Americans seems to be pretty all encompassing suddenly doesn’t it!. Now they even have the french and Germans lying for them – good trick that one!.
The Russians are obviously just using the reflector they sent up as, surely, they wouldn’t be complicit in a fraud that saw them ‘lose’ the space race!!!. For chrissakes man do some basic research before you make yourself look an utter clown.

SSS-666

Not interested in speaking to a man who tracked the progress of the Apollo 11 vehicle to the moon then?. Thought you might not be – that would require too much intellectual honesty!.

Pretty pictures by the way. Did it never occur to you that other photo’s from the mission exist that dont show the ‘stars and stripes’ so prominently but NASA chose to release the ones that do for PR reasons?. Just a thought! :rolleyes:

Those are lies by our people also here read this is why it’s happening: To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.

All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echo the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati’s secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named “Aquarius” (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, “A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis… and all Challengers shall be destroyed.”

Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes.

No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth’s surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.

The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, Solar flares, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings

If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum… and that is not even taking into consideration any effects of cosmic radiation, Solar flares, micrometeorites, etc. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.

Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold, molecules must be present.

A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as “space” that any concept of “hot” or “cold” is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a “Thermos” or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.

Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not “warm” space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.

Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is “cold”. Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.

NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus “air conditioning” explanation.

Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a “vacuum bottle” filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later… and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.

The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space… an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.

NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.

On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.

What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space.

As proof examine the Lunar Lander on display in the Smithsonian Institute and notice the shrouded and encased cone of the rocket engine INSIDE the Lander which is attached above the rocket nozzle at the bottom center of the Lander. It is this rocket engine which supposedly provided the retro thrust upon landing on the moon and the takeoff thrust during takeoff from the moon. In the actual Lunar Lander this engine is present but in the film and pictures of the inside of the Lunar Lander that was “said” to be on the moon the engine is absent. Then examine the Lunar Lander simulator and you will see exactly where the fake footage was filmed.

It would also be a good idea for you to measure the dimensions of the astronauts in their spacesuits and then measure the actual usable dimensions of the hatch that they had to use to egress and ingress the Lander. Also measure the inside dimensions of the actual Lander and you will see that the astronauts (liars) could not have possibly left or entered in their suits through that hatch. Notice the position of the hinge of the hatch and then examine the Lunar Lander training simulator and measure all the dimensions noted above taking care to note the position of the hinge on the much larger hatch and you may become “illumined”… so to speak.

NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon’s surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth’s atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves… a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.

If you don’t believe it try it yourself… it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just a few of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.

We attempted to obtain data on Solar activity and in particular Solar flares which may have been active during the Apollo Moon Missions. We found that data is available for any day of any year during which data has been collected EXCEPT the days and hours of all of the Apollo Moon shots. That data can not be obtained from any government agency including NASA, NOAA, or the Naval Observatory. This is data that is normally collected and would have been used in calculating the dates of launch, dates and times of EVAs, and extreme radiation hazard. It would have been monitored during times of extra vehicular activity (EVA) of the astronauts while on the moon… that is if any astronauts were ever on the moon. The data is not available because it would demonstrate that the so-called astronauts would have been fried crisp. They would have returned to the earth DEAD if they had actually attempted any such missions.

In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of studio photography, studio lighting, and the reality of Lunar physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. No color film known to man, then or now, had or has the latitude to produce the excellent detail found in shadow and highlighted areas of the photographs supposedly taken on the moon. Any professional photographer can tell you that those photographs could only have been produced in a controlled environment using studio lighting and could not possibly have been produced in full sunlight in a vacuum on the moon. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.

Kleinknect, the head of Operations at NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now is now a 33rd Degree Freemason who’s brother is the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the surface of the Moon (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin. All of the senior officials of NASA have been, and are, members of the Illuminati, Marxists, or communists.

The Soviet Union planned only one manned moon mission. Soviet cosmonauts related to me that their astronauts were literally COOKED by the extreme radiation in space when sent into high orbit through the Van Allen Belt. The USSR never again attempted to send men into or above the Van Allen Belt. If man could not survive the extreme radiation of the Van Allen Belt how could they put a man on the Moon? The Soviet Union scrapped their Man On The Moon program.

IT was a space RACE,race being the word, the us were trying to beat the Russians to the moon,sending a full rocket up with all the gubbins I’m sorry to say would have been too expensive.
The lives of astronauts were and always will be an unfortunate second to the missions at hand.Just as the explorers did looking for the new world lives will be lost.

SO what your telling me is you have no Idea how many times they tested a Remote Controlled LM, and you’d rather evade answering my question because a very simple but 100% IMPORTANT peice of evidence is abosolutly missing, (The testing of a LM HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of Times) thats what your trying to say right?? :confused:

It has both an inner and outter hull,meaning one torpedo his isn’t going to sink it.Also,its one of the quietest subs there are,right up next to the Ohio Class,and for a Russian sub,thats saying something.The Typhoons were designed to strike any targets from the safety of home waters in the Arctic.The hull being designed to smash through the ice to fire the missile.This is why,unlike the American Los Angeles and Ohio Classes,the dive planes are on near the forward hull as opposed to the conning tower on the American boats.Plus in an operational scenario,you’d have a good chunk of the Russian surface and subsurface fleet protecting the Typhoons,making them an even harder target to destroy.

Don’t believe the hype from Aklula 2 on forward all our subs are quieter than US’s, the U.S. is just saying our subs are not quieter just to discredit us.

You deniers don’t get it.

You are libeling people whose backgrounds, intellect and accompliishments you obviously can’t begin to imagine. You’re bolstering your own pathetic egos and trying to justify your existence by attacking people of real science and real accomplishments.
And when challenged, you call people names (rednecks, “astro-nots”..real clever stuff).

I’d hope you do more than hang your entire case on a couple of half-baked ideas based on a photgraphic anomlies.

If the proof is so obvious, where are the real scientists….real Phd’s from MIT, Cambridge, Oxford, Moscow (Russia..not Idaho)?

Until you prove your case that thousands of other people are lying, I’ll just assume you’re a few gullible souls waiting for the next re-rum of the X-Files.

O.K. J Boyle A SIMPLE “Open Minded” question, How many times did NASA test a LM going to and fro from the moon before they sent the 3 men?