There is also the matter of the Laser Ranging Retro-Reflector system which seems to be repeatedly ignored here, least I’ve not seen it answered. Should I take it, to the conspiracy theorists this system was placed up there on an earlier unmanned mission to provide fake proof of the manned landings? :rolleyes:

There is NO Laser Rang Reflectors on the moon, it’s a NASA lie, think about it, if they never went then there should’nt be any up there, my 2 arguments are proof that NASA faked it. “How come NASA never “TESTED” a remote controlled Lunar Module “HUNDREDS” if not “THOUSANDS” of times before actually sending real “Humans” on it (Apollo 11-17) haven’t you noticed that?? come on man, you don’t really believe Armstrong and them, plus NASA would have really sent Humans WAY out to the moon with out first testing this Technology “HUNDREDS” of times do you??,

Feel free to explain where you’re going with this any time now, because I have no idea.

Just answer my question “How many U.S. Planes went down because of ROLAND?”

Again, it doesn’t matter. Different tactics, different readiness states, different ECM equipment…a lot of reasons can be found for the success of a SAM system in one country and not in another.

And again, I gave you at least one SAM system that Iraq had in 1991 that Serbia did not have in 1999, the ROLAND.

And I deleted your post not because there was anything wrong with it (otherwise I wouldn’t be responding to it), but because I messed it up becuase I hit EDIT and not QUOTE by mistake.

NOW, How many of the 38 U.S. Planes shot down over Iraq were down’d with the “ROLAND” (don’t make any assumtions) I’ll make you regret it. 😉

What’s with the personal insults?

My questions are fair…let me put this simply.
I’m a journalist…I was trying to establish your credibility (or lack of it).

Simply put…if you are an F-18 pilot, physicist, or former director of NASA’s JPL you’ll have mode credibility than if all you know about technology and space issues is watching “Star Trek” or parroting stuff off of conspiracy websites…or are a 14 year-old school boy from North Korea (who couldn’t say anything positive about the U.S. if his life depended on it).

The burden of proof is on you. You are trying to disprove established wisdom. Name calling just won’t do. :rolleyes:
Be professional or quit making accusations against other people.

You never have answered my questions about what NASA would have to do to prove to you they landed men on the moon…and since you won’t answer my queries about establishing any credibility or expertise, I’ll have to assume you have none.

PS….if you’re flying at “Oshgosh”…I suspect it will be a kite.
I only go to OSHKOSH! 😀

Actually you missed something ALL Nations before intri=oducing Airplane Fighters to thier airforces test those planes HUNDREDS of times, for example the US. F-18 was tested Hundreds of times before it was introduced to the AIRforce/Navy, well how come NASA never “TESTED” a remote controlled Lunar Module “HUNDREDS” if not “THOUSANDS” of times before actually sending real “Humans” on it (Apollo 11-17) haven’t you noticed that?? come on man, you don’t really believe Armstrong and them, plus NASA would have really sent Humans WAY out to the moon with out first testing this Technology “HUNDREDS” of times do you??, Please don’t repond back with some claim that NASA did test a remote controlled LM hundres of time we (The US Puplic just haven’t heard about it.” Excuse.

More proof the Moon Landings were fake, 1. NASA claims that the LM didn’t cause a “CRATER” when taking off because on the Moon they (The LM/Astronuts) are in a “Vaccum” so the blast would go “OUTWARD” and not “Downward”, well if thats NASA’s explaination, WHY is it when the LM from the First Apollo Landing “Apollo 11” is coming close to the surface when it was landing you can see with the naked eye the moon SURFACE being blown away from the “supposed” Rocket booster??? 2. What was the speed that the Moon car was traveling at? Why is it at the Houston Space Station in TEXAS you can see the original suit and LM and you can clearly see the space suit could not fit threw the LM’s door?????????????

How is it possible that some 7 years fater the war…the propaganda and imagination of Venik and friends…is STILL alive on the internet?

7 years later and the Serbs still have ZERO to back up any of their claims.

Eveything else aside…is ANY other aircraft was shot down over Serbia…would the wreckgae or ANY part of these aircraft have been made available, been found and so forth…7 years later?? Would any Serbian pilot or AD officer come forward and talked about how he bravely shot down 2 F-15 Eagles with his SA-6 unit (as Venik has a funny little story on his website)??? Or better yet…would 7 years later have any Serbian polits come forward to retell the brilliantly carried out and brave raid on Rinas Airport where 24 Apaches were destroyed by Serbian aircraft??? Or 7 years later the names of those brave Serbian pilots who shot down F-117s and F-15s and F-16s…and last but not least 3 Albanian F-7s…would have been released maybe??

The level of propaganda from the Serbian side was beyound believeable…

—–

11 Serb Mig-29s were lost…period…this is admitted BY THEM THEMSELVES. I don’t see the poit in this argument anymore. YES they can be confirmed all by serial number.

No MiG-29 in Serbia ever scored anything on anyone…no Serb pilot claims any missiles were ever fired to begin with.

And then of course to back up the claims…the show pictures of an A-10 dropping a flare…an F-15 dumping fuel…a Torando fuel tank and so forth. I’m sure if the Tornado fuel tank is there in the middle of a village…then the rest of the plance can’t be too far away?? Right?? So lets see it.

So how in the world do some of you come up with such fantasy??? 8 MiG-29 kills on F-15s?? When are any of these supposed to have happened?? I don’t think 8 F-15s have ever been lost in combat in total.

The MiG-29’s victories…the only ones confirmed so far…are probably 4-5 in Eritrea against MiG-21s and MiG-23s…with about 6-7 being lost to Su-27s.

PS: As for “decoys” and so forth as far ground equipent…they’r not “decoys” if they have people in them…;)

What SAM’s did Iraq have in 91 that Serbia supposedly didn’t have in 99???

NOW, lets ask NASA what the speed was that the moon car was traveling on the moon, if NASA says it was traveling at 5 mph, then go and calculate the dust that flies off of a landrover/Jeep going at 5mph on a desart here on earth and multiply it by 6, if on earth the dust goes up by 6 inches then on the moon it should be 36 inches, so go and ask NASA how fast it was traveling. 2. In Space on the moon you would move much faster than on earth, because there is no “Resistance” because there’s no air this clearly shows those Astro-Nuts were not on the moon, if you threw a ball on earth at 90 mph and used that same stregnth on the moon the ball would be going at 400/500 mph you can even read about people would travel faster on the moon than on earth in an Encyclopedia, this prooves they were NOT on the moon. 3. Look at when Apollo 11 first starts to land on the moon, you can see the so called “Moon Dust” being blown away, well how come when the Lunar Modul was taking off which it was closer to the moon’s surface than when it started landing there is no dust moving.