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  • in reply to: Typhoon class TK 17 Arkhangelsk has been refuelled #2069935
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    in reply to: Typhoon class TK 17 Arkhangelsk has been refuelled #2069937
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    [QUOTE=Fedaykin]

    I always believed that Typhoon where phenonemal subs and argubly one of the better SSBN in the world.

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    Depends what you use as a benchmark.

    I remember watching a documentary about the Servestal recently and whilst the crew constantly stated that they felt she was state of the art to my eyes that was far from the case.

    She looked extremely dated and worn out in comparison to what I have seen of western boomers like the Ohio or Vanguard class (I have seen nothing on the French Triomphant class so I can’t comment).

    Aside from very poor ergonomics in her internal design her systems looked like something from the 1960’s.

    Finally the noise that she was pumping out whilst underway was shocking.

    That’s nothing but AMERICAN Exageration/Lies to discredit Russia, Typhoons are the most quiet SSB’s in the world, all of our subs from Aklula 2 on down are quieter that ALL U.S. counter parts, all these “so called” reports you read/ hear are lies to cover U.S. embaressment about our newer sub Techs.

    in reply to: Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran #1822580
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    NO ONE has said that so why would he suggest some one saying that???????

    in reply to: Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran #1822583
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    If the US attacked Iran’s nuclear facilities at MOST the Russians would complain about it. Maybe China would too but that’s about it. The US has no desire whatsoever to start a war there and Iran’s not worth starting a war with the US to Russia or China.

    Are you saying here on this forum, that if U.S. attacked Iran Iran would’nt do any military thing about??????????? 😮 😮

    in reply to: Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran #1822606
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    If the US decides it will take down the Iranian Air Defence network then they are fully capable of doing so. This is of course assuming that the purpose of air defnce network is to prevent the enemy from accessing your airspace and flying wherever he may want in order to drop ordnance on your head. If this is why the Iranians have invested in an Air Defence sytem and they try to use in this way then the US will overwhelm and destroy it. If however the Iranians have actually only invested in air defences so that in time of war they can run and hide and pop up occiasionally to take potshots for the sole purpose of embarassing the almighty NATO, oops I mean the US (dear me getting my conflicts mixed up) then I imagine the Iranians would be able to pull it off. Of course the US will still be able to fly around where ever it wants and drop heavy, blowy uppy stuff on the heads of whoever they deem deserves it.

    Now this is all assuming an air only conflict. If for some reason (complete mental collapse of the entire National Security team perhaps) the US should conduct a land invasion of Iran then I feel quite comfortable in opining that they will defeat the Iranian Military fairly comfortably. Its after part that is the problem as I think we all know. Sure since the Iranians havent been softened up by years of tight sanctions and are possesed of somewhat more homogenous and probably better motivated population I would expect the US to suffer rather more casualties than Iraq, even running into the thousands but I’m afraid our friend White_Cloud, oops Clear_War (there I go again getting things mixed up) is just engaging in (rather questionable) wishful thinking suggesting 150-200 thousand,
    Of course if the US did take it upon itslef to attck the Iranian nuclear program, for example, and the Iranians chose to invade Iraq with conventional miltiary forces I think they will have signed thier death warrant. The Euros and Arab states are already a tad ansty about possible Iranian nuclear ambitions so while they would probably make noise about unilateral actions etc etc from the US they would probably not be to upset to the strikes. On the other hand Iranian troops attempting (I doubt it would come to much else) to attack into Iraq could possibly swing quite a few opinions in the US’s favour. The Idea of Iranian control of Iraq is not something the Arab states will want to spend to much time entertaining and I don’t think the Euros will be terribly taken with the idea either.

    Anyway getting back to the matter at hand. I certainly agree that the Tor-M1 is not silver bullet as far as stopping a US strike goes but if coupled with other systems it adds depth with capabilty not present in other foes of recent times while even alone the systems have the potential to lessen the impact of US cruise missile strikes, therby forcing the committment of additional resources. As has been noted, Iran is a big place with a lot of potential targets . The US has a lot of stuff it can throw at you but even its supplies are not limitless. Look at all the orders for new stuff and stories of depleted inventories after both of the Iraq wars. They do seem to use the stuff up at a prodigious rate. If Iran can soak up a few of those hits with these new missile systems then it might just buy them some time to do a few things they might consider worthwhile.

    Daniel

    You’re kidding RIGHT, you don’t REALY think that U.S. is going to lose little in this war do you right haha?? And I just know your just jokeing around when you say that the Iranians death warrent would come if they invaded Iraq, because if U.S. attacks Iran will strike back ina very bad way, and that is what will cause U.S. to strike in an even more hard way which will cause Iran to FULLY invade Iraq, which will cause U.S./ Isreal to counter invade, which will bring DEATH from the NORTH ( MIGHTY RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!!) 😀

    in reply to: Russia to sell 29 air defense systems to Iran #1822673
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    The issue is quite simple here ,Iran has a Nuclear program and has been billigerent , Intl Community and US wants Iran to stop building N-weapons. Its a matter of discussion and many options are on table , Iran has the choice to accept one of the many options or fact UN sanction or punitive strikes on its whole range of N-assets.

    No one wants to fight with Iran , Even its closest allay Russia is trying its best to avoid confrontation and has placed option of enriching uranium at Russia which Iran rejected.

    If all optons fail and if US decides to strike Iran Nuclear assets , No amount of S-300 , TOR,Mig-29 or what ever they have can stop it , US has the Will and Means to strike assets in Iran ,But every one is trying its best to avoid such a situation

    May be Iran will accept either the Europe , Russia or UN option and the whole thing gets avoided.

    WRONG!!! Iran is not like Iraq it has the means AND will to attack U.S. Military in Iraq, in2004 they mover 250,000 troops to the Iraqi Border do excersices as a show of FORCE to U.S. what will happen to U.S. if they attack, now in the long run if the U.S. pushes hard they can take IRAN, but they WILL loose 150 to 200,000 soilders, plus after that RUSSIA will attack U.S. in Mid-East because evry one knows U.S. would be going into Iran for the same reason they went into Iraq-OIL, thats the reason why Russia would have nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to loose if Rus just lets U.S. take Iran, cus next would be S. Araibia, ( oh trust me U.S. will find some excuse to invade there too) then it’s the rest of the MID-EAST, so it would be in the best interest of the world if Russia destroys U.S. Military if U.S. attacks invades Iran, which IS what will happen because Iran will NOT sit by and just absorb being bombed.

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