Also some information on the Stirling Pages here:http://www.pegelsoft.nl/egypt.htm
DS
Dear Malcolm M,
I fear you have totally missed the plot (or are you trolling?).
The point is – those of us in Health and Safety who, as I stated, have more than “C” grade passes, do not “just follow orders”.
We use our own common sense and technical knowledge to try to prevent people harming themselves and others.If you equate that with with the subjects of the Nuremberg trials that is your own sad misconception.
Cheers,
Ian.
Quite right. And the Nuremberg reference was unpleasant.
DS
Aviation people criticising health and safety –are you lot mad?
I read this – and other posts which are highly critical of health and safety matters – with nothing less than slack-jawed incredulity. I work in an industry where mistakes are very frequent – and very frequently serious, potentially fatal – and where the lessons from these mistakes are only slowly learnt, and even more slowly shared. To us, the aviation industry as a whole is held up as a beacon on how we should operate. Its safety record has been painfully won, after years of terrible mistakes and tragedies. The ‘blame-free’ culture, careful analysis of accidents, and dissemination of information learnt makes the aviation industry an ‘exemplar’ (to quote some new Labourite health policy speak) of how it should work.
I find it utterly amazing to read that individuals can be so cavalier in their criticism of health and safety, to automatically deride suggestions and policies that have the best interests of the public in general, and also *you* aviation-lovers.
It is obviously not the case that a quick glance at a WWII instrument dial will give you cancer. But repeated exposure, over many years – that will increase your risk.
However unlikely you imagine the accident is that you are trying to prevent, if it were to happen, just think about what the consequences would be to the person it happens to. ANY rule is justified if it can save a life or prevent significant harm.
DS
The men off to the left of the picture appear to be resting on something – the others appear leg-less! I think the plane hit a ditch or dyke and flipped onto its nose.
DS
?Beaufighter. On a dump – ?Malta, Middle East?
Not very helpfull am I 🙂
DS
…snip… The missus would probably say Graf Zeppelin.
Hey, if my missus referred to me as a Graf Zeppelin I’d be quite proud..but I guess that was what you meant 😉
I guess I really would be a Stirling. Big, slow, outdone by newer models at work, but still full of spirit. Not sure about the long thin bomb bay, but my nose is high in the air 😀
DS
Perhaps just one more little bit of information – exactly why such a large and expensive building cannot do exactly what it was designed to do – would have helped prevent some of the angst expressed here.
One can imagine that a poorly designed and hastily built shed might not be roomy enough, but I share the exasperation expressed above as this should have worked. Is there a fix?
I am going to Dx tonight and will try to find out a bit more.
DS
Hi,
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On another note Doc Stirling I have not forgotten !!!!
Richy.
Lest any of us forget 😉
DS
Congratulations!
DS
There’s always someone – many actually – who know more than me and are willing to share. I know a little, and it does not take me long to share that!!
DS
Ah, thank you! Now I see it. The nose is quite long, but there is no depth of field in this photo, making the chin turret seem tio be under the nose glazing, when it is much further back.
Odd though, the article does say the photo was taken in Britain – or at a British base – but I can’t find record of the RAF using this a/c.
Thanks for you time
DS
Thanks, but the B-23 was smaller around the nose, without the dinky chin gun.
Also, the photo was cpationed specifically as being taken at a British base during the war. Not many of these rarer US bombers made it over here.
DS
Well done! How many ‘tail-ups’ did she do? It looked like one lasted about 8 seconds?
DS
In my experience, journalists are quite lazy, and more than happy to simply reprint what someone else has told them. The best way to get an ‘accurate’ account in press is for you to give them the words. They might try to make it ‘sexier’ to their readership – no one can stop that – but at least their facts are correct.
Journalism has not ‘gone to the dogs’. It has always been there ;-).
DS