There was no “re-rendering” – the crosshairs are exactly identical in both videos. If you can’t see what the actual difference is in the 2nd video, then you’re seriously thick.
It’s stabilized and thus also cropped, using YouTube’s own stabilization tool. This causes the crosshair not to be the centre point as YouTube’s algorithm focuses on stabilizing larger features, and it also causes some obvious “stabilization morphing” of the image, i.e. that somewhat unsettling angling effect.
How about the IR section of the video? The jets are BLACK, and then with no delay at all, WHITE.
Please explain this instantaneous massive temperature variation, which doesn’t happen in the real world at all.
You really have no clue.
The sensor turret is an L-3 Wescam MX15HD, installed on upgraded Portuguese P-3C’s in 2011-2012. This piece of equipment does visual spectrum in full color, infrared (and optionally shortwave infrared), low-light monochrome and various blended imaging modes. The operator can see a bunch of these modes simultaneously on a split screen, and he can switch effortlessly back and forth in fullscreen too.
The Su-27 clip is shot in full color mode for the most part, but there is a switch to IR and there is a much briefer switch to the low-light mode (which looks very washed out). Ergo, you’re erroneously assuming that everything monochrome is infrared, and here’s where I truly start to suspect you’re simply just trolling us for laughs…
Because now you argue that this mindblowingly brilliant hoax that simply defies belief in terms of detail (both direct and peripherally, as we have demonstrated) and execution (absolutely life-like realism down to the very last pixel) apparently included a few seconds of failed IR footage where the “naive kid hoaxer” (with a Hollywood-esque SFX budget) accidentally forgot to paint the exhausts white, and that brings it all down.
Hell yes…
The video is fake. Why does it matter so much to you that everyone believes it to be real?
Is it because this is part of a Russian propaganda exercise?
You never made much sense to begin with, but now it’s getting ridiculous.
Oh, and here’s another shot of the same Su-27 from the same March 2015 photo report TEEJ posted earlier:

Come on now hewasahero, you really think somebody painstakingly made an exact digital copy of this individual aircraft down to the tiniest little paint chip, even before there were any photos in the public domain showing its new paintjob? Because all public photos of RF-33740 available at the time the video was published were with the bort number 10 and lacked the red text on the intake saying “Grigoriy Rechkalov” (after the Soviet WW2 fighter ace).
If so, the fake could only have originated from an “insider” in Russia to begin with. So we go full circle it seems, not only are we all Russian trolls – the guys who faked it clearly are too! :highly_amused:
No, seriously. Get real.
The Lockheed P-3 Orion doesn’t have any windows from which the props can be seen from underneath, so what window was that footage shot from?
Answer: It wasn’t shot from any window, as the whole thing is fake.Why aren’t the flaps on the supposed Flanker working? Because the whole thing is fake.
Noticed the crosshair? Noticed the infared? Noticed the servo-actuated panning? You really think it’s somebody with a camera in a window or something?
No, it’s shot by a multispectral sensor turret below the nose of the P-3, and the underbelly of the plane with the front gear doors is clearly visible right next to it…
And why would the Su-27 deploy high-lift devices when cruising at altitude? The Su-27 comes in at around 400 knots and deploys the airbrake for a moment to match the P-3, that’s all it needs to do that brief check on the P-3 before banking away.
Just for the record, ladies and gents, which of you works here…?
http://www.wearethemighty.com/russia-troll-factory-2015-07
Spasiba!
Haha, everyone accuse each other of being one of those legendary, almost mythical Russian trolls from the so-called “troll factory”… It’s pretty tiring. Say we all are (and you too, as TomcatViP alluded to earlier) sitting in an office in St. Petersburg – that still doesn’t mean that the footage is fake because it ain’t.
edit: Well, seems I was slow this time, TEEJ already covered it. 😀 Spasibo!
Surely folding fins would be part of any space-constrained solution?
Yes… The izd. 760 and izd. 300 both have folding fins and reduced body diameter. The latter is somewhat reminiscent of the ASRAAM. They make the R-73 look bulky.
Russia’s new PAK-DA bomber to navigate by the stars:
I mean, that’s nice and everything, but these celestial navigation instruments have been flying since the early 1960’s in the US and they were highly accurate already back then.
I’m pretty sure Russia/USSR played around with such instruments at the time too (they already had them in their spaceships in the 60’s, that much I know).
Hello,
We’re getting off-topic here. The purported ‘footage’ is still fake. It’s a composite of computer-generated content and actual video.
Several indicators in this Reddit thread…
http://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/2tiyb7/russian_su27_flanker_intercepts_p3_orion_very_dcs/
and here is the YouTube debunking again for you…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzh2H6KjdTI
Whoever faked this failed to research several important details.
Thank you!
No… Just no…
By the way, here’s the image of the aircraft in question:
Yup, that’s it right there. Even the chipped paint on the fins is identical. The aircraft is registered as RF-33740 and it’s based in Chkalovsk, where it together with other Su-27s patrols the Baltic off Kaliningrad. Prior to 2014 it bore the bort number 10, now it’s 90 like in the Portuguese video. It also had some new decorations applied to it last year, and these can be seen in the video too.
As for the Portuguese P-3 in the Baltic, this is what the Portuguese Air Force itself says about it:
http://www.emfa.pt/www/noticia-736
There it’s clear as a day that the 601st squadron of the Portuguese Air Force operated from Šiauliai, Lithuania at the time, and they also explicitly state that they repeatedly monitored Russian aircraft in the Baltic:
Na zona de operações, foram identificados e classificados vários meios, aéreos e marítimos, de nacionalidade Russa, tendo sido os seus movimentos e operação monitorizados e reportados, contribuindo para a manutenção do panorama do Báltico.
And whaddya know – the 601st squadron operates the P-3C Orion:
http://www.emfa.pt/www/esquadra-43
So it all adds up. A Portuguese P-3C Orion was in the Baltics at the time, and the exact Flanker individual shown in the video was there at the time as well…
So, since it’s dead easy to rule out that the footage comes from “DCS” or any comparable simulator, and it’s easy to see that all peripheral, even highly obscure details about the involved parties add up completely we can quite readily conclude that it’s totally real.
The so called arguments for it being “fake” are highly contrived and frankly rather cringeworthy, and why do some people continue to stubbornly insist on it? I’m struggling to understand the point of this weird exercise.
The only unanswered question is who decided to leak this particular piece of footage and why, since it wasn’t officially published/endorsed by the Portuguese Air Force. But stranger things have happened for sure.
Sorry to bring up a really old thread but whatever happened to this project? Did the Swedes cancel it or is it still being tested?
Thanks
It was cancelled 6 years ago, before the first prototype was finished.
The development of the twin-barreled mortar “AMOS” was cancelled altogether (both the land and sea based versions) at the same time, but rumor has it that it might be revived later this year for an armored land-based platform.
“Lavina” looks good, reminds me a bit of the Dokdo class with that tapered deck etc.
…But it’s a Krylov model. When was the last time any of their military designs actually made it to construction? I’m not overly initiated, but it seems to me like Severnoe is behind pretty much everything new that winds up in the navy these days whereas Krylov never seems to get anywhere with their fancy looking models. As sad as that is, since they do tend to look neat.
The in-service Su-35S in the blue scheme is the Flanker “pinnacle” if you ask me. 😉
Still though, I’ll reiterate what I said two-three years ago…

Make it happen.
Hi,
I have a very simple question :
What is the difference between red radome 9M317 missile and white radome 9M317?
There are no red radome 9M317s.
A month later and still no follow-up that would’ve let me clarify with some wit? I’m disappointed. :p
The red things one sees on some missiles are protective caps with a conspicuous handle on top.
There are two things which strike me when looking at Project 23560E
1. Aesthetically it looks like a Japanese person’s opinion of a Russian ship (much like those fantastic conversions which used to appear in Tamiya’s catalogues when I was a lad)
2. The numbers seem like the ridiculous opening gambit of a negotiator (9000 metric tonnes and 100 VLS being the desired levels but start high and wait for the inevitable haggling downwards by the politicians)
IMHO the “news” about this particular ship are dodgy at best. Krylov has been displaying these wild models for years, remember the “Leader” ship? Nothing’s necessarily all that realistic about them, so to speak.
And the aircraft carrier model they showed Jane’s, well I’m sure I’ve seen that exact one before.
Hi,
I have a very simple question :
What is the difference between red radome 9M317 missile and white radome 9M317?
There are no red radome 9M317s.
or more critically this: http://tsagi.com/pressroom/news/686/
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Different engine configuration here though.
Because the other one’s been Photoshopped by somebody, and they did a shoddy job.
It’s a shame we don’t see many more large Russian airliners, they’ve always had an imposing presence with elegant lines.
No market for them these days. The superior reputation and aftersale support of A+B means they rule the skies where they can, in Russia itself too these days. So what’s left, Cuba? And sure enough their needs are covered by a few Il-96, and that little speck of a customer hardly constitutes an incentive enough to develop and produce new biggies.
The (possibly) upcoming joint Sino-Russian long hauler might change that, as both are huge markets. But regardless it would still need to be fairly competitive even internationally because pure politics only get you that far (unless the respective governments decide to chip in and subsidize any economical disadvantages, or massive embargoes are imposed on both of them), and that’s hard to imagine to be honest.
But yeah, it is a bit of a shame because diversity is nice and they tend to look real good. But business is business.